Discussion: Florida Stopped Doing Gun Permit Checks For More Than A Year

Interns fault. Again. Damn those negligent interns!

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I’m surprised that Florida with it’s enthusiastic love of Marion Hammer and the NRA hasn’t gone to permitless conceal carry like we have in Missouri. They did away with requiring permits to conceal carry within the state. That means no classes and training, but if you want to conceal carry in other states you have shell out the money for a permit and classes.

And now that my ire over MO is done, who was this person’s supervisor? Why weren’t they tracking this?

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Laws are mere guidelines for Republicans, but to be used as a cudgel against minorities, immigrants, and presumed Democrats.

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Blame the intern, but that employee could not be bothered with getting the password reset? I guess it was a lot of work that didn’t have to be done, but what about the applications? Who was still approve the apps without the background check?

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Not only is Putnam incompetent, but he was responsible for inserting a provision in legislation last session that would have allowed permits without complete background checks. He had it withdrawn after Parkland. http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/02/01/state-may-issue-gun-licenses-with-incomplete-background-checks/

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Oy. That just puts an exclamation point on my objection to Levine’s quote in the story lumping this clown in with “career politicians” – Democrats should never criticize someone using a phrase popularized by the right to discredit politics and government in general, but especially someone like this. “Fanatical ideologue”? “NRA shill”? Sure. But effectively normalizing extremists like this guy by calling him merely a “career politician” is in no small part how we got to this perilous point in our national life.

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Not to mention that we have a non-career politician in charge of the whole she-bang and look how well that is working, for either side, any gender, any income that’s not 1%, and so forth and so on.

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Exactly.

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There has got to be a bigger story here.

The Times interviewed the employee, Lisa Wilde, who told them she was
working in the mailroom when she was given oversight of the database in
2013. “I didn’t understand why I was put in charge of it,” Wilde told the newspaper.

This doesn’t make sense. Why in the world was a mailroom employee given oversight for this responsibility? Who did this?

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“I didn’t understand why I was put in charge of [oversight of the database],” Wilde told the newspaper.

Because you didn’t have any understanding of the job responsibilities or how to discharge them, which made it easy for unqualified people to get concealed carry permits as required by the NRA/GOP version of the 2nd Amendment.

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Nothing says Florida like crazy people with guns.

Now with more guns!

(Sinkholes and meth sold separately.)

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I keep seeing articles about this event, but I’m still waiting for the ones reporting Adam Putnam’s resignation. How does a senior official survive a debacle of this magnitude? How could voters support anyone so reckless, and who exhibits such casual disregard for the safety of his constituents?

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The intern and employee are but scapegoats - no one is really taking responsibility for the oversight. Of the 291 permits that were revoked - were those weapons used to injure someone? Or were the permits used to get positions that required security clearance that having a permit provided? This story needs more investigation and not swept under the rug

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Bravo! MAGA! Parkland II seems so very far away…or not…

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The bigger story is one more element of deliberate chaos inflicted on our regulatory and enforcement bureaucracies by the Trump dis-administration.

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What makes you think they weren’t?

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I was given a volunteer job for a pre-school co-op that included updating the web site, many years ago when you had to know html and so on (I didn’t, of course). But the real problem was getting the password from the person previously doing the job - it took months and everyone thought I was the slacker who couldn’t be bothered. No one thought they were responsible, and that I could just somehow make it magically appear without authorization.

So I have some tentative sympathy for this mailroom gal - it’s much easier to work the system when there’s a system to work.

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“Rule of law. No exceptions”. You betcha.

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