Discussion: Fiorina Jumps To Second Place Among Republican Candidates In Poll

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Figures…the GoP are always naturally attracted to outright blatant liars!

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Another lying failed bussiness person telling us how government should work

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And why not? I mean with all that charm and wit at her disposal. And she was such a smashing success at running HP, too.
I can hardly wait for the new "Demon Sheep " ads.

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Isn’t that a decline for Trump? Yet no mention of how he compares to last poll

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What’s this Republican love for businesspersons whose most noted accomplishments have been business failures?

Do they think that bringing their “business acumen” to government is going to work any better?

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… and just for the record, I’m looking forward to the sequel: “Demon Sheep 2”:

Go Carly, go!

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Praying for a Hils versus Carly debate right here, just for the pure smack-down factor.

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For a change, I’m suggesting “demon walrus”

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This article is illogical, contradicting its own headline. It proves the point that polling makes almost all journalism that relies on it dumb. To wit: If the margin of error is plus/minus 3 points and the numbers for the non-Trumps here are: Fiorina 15, Carson 14, and Marco Rubio 11, then Fiorina may just as likely be in 4th place, or 3rd place. A poll of 1006 Americans effectively tells you very very little. Just go ask Presidents Bachman and Cain.

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For a different perspective from Vox, which uses a kind of snap poll:

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A couple of big caveats: this is Morning Consult’s first campaign season and it isn’t yet a proven pollster, and the people who watched the Republican debates may not represent the party’s primary electorate as a whole. But when you consider that this is a poll of Republicans (and independents who plan to vote in Republican primaries) who are engaged enough to watch an early debate — who one would think are the most engaged voters out there — it gets even more worrisome for the establishment.

P.S. But it’s GOOD NEWS…for Marco Rubio???

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This latest spate of CNN polls over the last few weeks have been weird. Really small samples of people, fudging the representation of libs and conservatives in strange ways. It’s almost like there’s an agenda they want to advance and a narrative they’d like to create.

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Poll dancing won’t win many approval ratings…

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A couple quick thoughts after reading the actual poll. The first is that the polling results are based on polling that began a day after the debate and then went on for two more days. Unless, I’m missing something (which I may be) the polling internals never tell you the results for each day. That information would be very useful, because CNN and the other media outlets have been blatantly pushing the"Carly Winner" theme since the debate (actually even before the debate). So, it would be important to compare the poll numbers immediately after the debate with the numbers after three days of non- stop Carly Advertisements. One wonders (but not a lot) while those daily internals weren’t provided. Second, according to the internals, over half of Republicans didn’t watch either debate, which makes the per-day polling results even more important. Third, what time of day did they do their polling, because there may well be big differences based on daytime vs nighttime polling. Fourth, while Carly “vaulted” to second place, Trump crushed Carly and the others on almost all of the questions related to specific policy questions. I’m not prepared to draw any hard conclusions from these data points, but I have suspicions and hope other TPMers will provide their views.

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Shocker! Fiorina goes all in on mean girl, surges amongst GOPers with well-established proclivity: ref. Palin, Coulter et al.

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Her question about Hillary Clinton’s term as secretary of state was unfair, and a trick. Americans are not even informed enough to know that Obama is not a Muslim. How are they going to follow foreign policy. Fiorina knows this and taking advantage of peoples ignorance.

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She doubled down on Fox this AM and says she has seen the video she described at the debate.
Who is going to call BS on this? (Chris Wallace passed and moved on to something else less problematic for him/her.)

In other news, Wash Post has the thinking person’s view of the email kerfuffle on B3. Not A1, but it’s a story that exonerates Hillary and what good would that do…

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A Rubio/Kasich combination (or more accurately, Kasich/Rubio) is what we might be a tad nervous about, and “Waterboy” is in fourth in this poll. Probably a good place to be when the top three ‘outsiders’ succumb to gravitational pull. Carly’s lies were called out last week in the WSJ–unless, they too are now part of the “liberal” media, then I would wager that she is toast by next debate.

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Yesterday I saw a cartoon by David Fitzsimmons over at The Week magazine that showed Trump referencing Carly Fiorina as Carly Purina. If I knew how to photoshop, I’d have a little fun with that moniker.
There is plenty of ammo to use against Carly. Just one example from Vox.com:

In 1997, two years after President Clinton banned trade with Iran, HP struck a partnership with a newly formed company in Dubai to sell its products in the Middle East. At the time, the company, called Redington Gulf, had only three employees and its sole purpose was to “sell HP supplies to the Iran market,” says a history on Redington Gulf’s website and Rajesh Chandragiri, the administrative manager in Redington Gulf’s Dubai office.

Redington Gulf maintained offices and a service center in Tehran, and licensed Iranian retailers to sell HP printers in their stores. The result: one poll found HP was the leading printer brand in Iran, with a 41 percent market share.

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Hey, even conservatives have some women as “friends.” Isn’t that the claim we always hear when their bigotry is challenged?