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"I do take umbrage with the clear double standard that exists in the media. If this happened with the conservative candidate the liberal media would be all over and asking to apologize and all the rest of it. "
There have been at least five instances of everyday citizens and the usual âObama is a Muslim dictatorâ meme. One of those times involved an opportunity for Fiorina to say something about positive discourse. Naturally she kept quiet or later made the diner incident into some sort of first amendment matter.
Trump on the other hand pretended like he was Jay Z and just brushed his shoulder offâŚ
nice try thoughâŚ
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Yeah, after watching the video, he was obviously speaking metaphorically about how he felt after the scenario he describes.
I also think itâs wise for Fiorinaâs camp to let it pass by. The observations the man makes about her tenure at H-P are the exact opposite of how sheâs trying to fluff her executive credentials⌠âsaving moneyâ by laying off 20,000 employees, then buying two corporate jets the following week to fly Executives around. Yeah, I think sheâd want that one to pass her on by.
Hell, the âSo Called Liberal Mediaâ (thanks Eric Alterman!) doesnât ever notice the every day horseshit spewed by the Tea Baggers anymore⌠itâs only when they make comments that directly threaten a Democrat or President Obama do they even get noticed. And just how many times in the last⌠10 years?.. has a liberal actually gone after a Republican with a gun/knife, etc.
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Very smooth. I was wondering if it would be made out to be a double standard by her campaign. I donât think itâd be ENITRELY false equivalency to point out the potential shitstorm if the exact thing had played out with a conservative candidate. One can say her double standard remarks amount to false equivalency largely on the tone of the comments made by the Clinton supporter. âI wanted to wring her neckâ is an expression of past outrage and is a pretty well known hyperbolic expression of displeasureâŚclearly it canât be construed as either A) a threat, B) Clinton condoning said threat, or C) Clinton allowing a supporter the forum to lob untrue accusations and not correct them.
Look, I question the rationale of her being in the race to begin with, other than a cynical attempt to mitigate usurp some of the history behind a potential female candidate. If by some miracle she gets the nomination, the whole âfirst female president precedentâ will be a non-issue for each candidate. So, she may be a better politician than I though she would be. Sheâs shown some reasonably good political instincts, as with her reaction to this story and sheâs put the whole thing to bed by planting the seed of objection to a perceived double standard, while avoiding the typical âirrational, thin skinned womanâ attack that female candidates often encounter.
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IS an IMAGIned ThreaT OF KNIFe Violence Perpetrated BY LIBtards AGAINST conservatives ANY LESS STABBY??? I say NO!
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Besides, where do all the wingnuts get their inspiration for violence than those pinko commies spewing anti-American sentiments all over the movies?!
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Miracles that size and flavor donât happen.
But at the risk of offending every Clinton supporter here, I would like to give my opinion on this whole âfirst woman presidentâ thing.
It actually should be a bit of an embarrassment. England has had a female Prime Minster. Germany has a female chancellor. Israel has had a female Prime Minster. Hell, even macho South American countries have female leaders (both Brazil and Argentina currently do, for just one example). Pakistan has had a female leader.
When your country is decades behind Pakistan in breaking the glass ceiling on genderâŚits really hard to feel much pride.
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you missed the part about the âsmall fishââŚ
Letâs add South Korea in that mix too⌠one of the countries known for its intense male chauvinism, and they finally have a female president as well. Of course Park is from a political dynasty, but still.
I agree âit should be an embarrassmentâ is right.
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Oh, just google the list of female world leaders. Its a pretty eye opening list, but the main thing that sinks in, is to rest of the worldâŚits no big deal. Hasnât been for decades. Even in heavily Muslim countries and repressive regimes (Myanmar has a female leader now), its already been done.
And yet, we havenât even nominated anyone to be a female President. We are so far behind rest of the world its not even laughable.
Its just one of those things to bear in mind when the right kicks into their serious misogynistic attacks next fallâŚbecause they WILL come.
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Of course she doesnât care.
Sociopaths like Fiorina, Cruz, and Carson are totally unconcerned about what other people THINK of them.
It just doesnât matter to them.
Other people only exist as something to be manipulated for their benefit. Like and Dislike donât even enter into the equation.
Itâs not like the way a narcissist like Trump wants everyone to stroke his ego. Itâs pure, calculated power they seek.
Trump gets upset when people donât âadoreâ him.
Fiorina gets upset when people donât âdo what she says, no questions askedâ.
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Iâve seen quite a bit of the media false equivalency blaming Hillary about this. The guyâs story about his experience under Fiorinaâs HP was quite intense and worth more attention, but the âstrangleâ part (and it was obviously metaphorical) and Hillaryâs reaction was highlighted instead, giving Fiorina her another opportunity to attack the libural media. Sickening.
Yes and yes and yes. 1000 times yes.
Jon Stewart not that long ago did a bit on this, and after naming a few names had the staff roll a list of names of on the screen of women who had been national leaders. The list was hundreds of names long (there are a lot of nations).
The best spin that you can put on this is that just over half of the worldâs nations have not yet had a woman leader, so we are still about average:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/28/about-one-in-ten-of-todays-world-leaders-are-women/ft_15-07-24_womenleadersmap/
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As far as I know, theyâre all parliamentary countries, no? Our system of government seems to make it a lot harder where only two parties dominate and the results are not tied to legislative elections. To be clear, Iâm not justifying, merely theorizing why the glass ceiling may have been harder to crack here.
If Iâm not mistaken some are actually under the presidential system (e.g., Latin American countries like Argentina, Brazil)
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The US is behind Liberia and I think Mozambique.
Sounds like he was trying to get his job back and it backfired. Sorry, Clinton didnât say âsir strangulation is illegal and horrible to think about doingâ, but, thats actually ILLEGAL, vs the people who enflame and give credence to racist comments hurled at the president.
Strangulation isnât relegated to a certain race or sex, calling someone a nigger muslim is tho, and the line that these clowns care to ignore.
âŚbecause sheâs not hyper sensitive like so many people are (on both sides).
Not when youâre threatening to carry out your dastardly plan by reaching through the television screen. Thereâs a pretty solid scientific consensus that you canât do that. Ergo, not a credible threat.