Discussion: Federal Judges Express Skepticism About Trump's Travel Ban

Trump’s case wasn’t that strong to begin with, but there is no doubt that his inability to shut his mouth and the inability of supporters like Giuliani (a lawyer who should know better) to do the same likely has damaged their chances very seriously.

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Trump sez: “And a lot of people agree with us, believe me. . .”

Oh well then, how can any federal judge resist the mighty power of an argument like that?

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Trump: If I lose this case, I wouldn’t accept the decision as I did not appoint these judges. All that matters is what Gorsuch thinks. We can ask him during the hearings.

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Congress to the rescue ! …

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-02-07/senators-tom-cotton-david-perdue-move-to-limit-legal-immigration

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Trumpenfurher doesn’t really care much about the executive order he signed, let alone read. He’s merely trying to rack up a ‘win’ and move on even if the SC rules against him. Just watch!

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“If those people ever protested, you’d see a real protest.”

Do you suppose that the crowd size would exceed that of your glorious inauguration?

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I’m not sure SCOTUS even ties on this if it gets there, Kennedy might rule against Trump, as might Roberts. The issue I think really puts it over the top to get their votes is the exemption for religious minorities. That translates to targeting a religious majority.

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I searched for this woman’s name but couldn’t find it. I wanted to express my sympathies to her both for being put in a position she obviously doesn’t want to be in — “Your honor, I don’t have that information. I’m from the civil division if that, if that helps get me off the hook any.” [laughter] — and, of course, for her unfortunate eyebrows.

This will end up in the Supreme Court. My gut feeling is that, despite painfully weak, half-hearted and poorly delivered arguments from TrumpCo.gov, it will end in a 5-3 or, if Gorsuch is there to in time pay the boss, a 5-4 decision. I base my count on Roberts acting as a voice of sanity. The Chief Justice who is “only there to call balls and strikes” has already tarnished his legacy to such a degree that he’s now madly buffing what’s left of it with Wright’s Silver Cream.

I could be wrong. But it would be a first!

ETA: Damn. I forgot about Kennedy. Never mind about my SCOTUS count. Time to consult www.paddypower.com.

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At the SCOTUS …

Heir Limpy bashing judges will not be spoken of … but it doesn’t need to be —

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I’m not convinced it would exceed the 10 or so protesters in Portland, Maine, or the 50 or so protesters in front of Trump Tower. Even if you exaggerate by a factor of Trump (200K is 1.5M, etc.) that isn’t a whole lot of people.

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That really shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone.

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U.S. District Judge James Robart in Seattle, who on Friday temporarily blocked Trump’s order, has said a judge’s job is to ensure that an action taken by the government “comports with our country’s laws.”

So with that said, when are you guys and ladies going to begin the process of removing the proven lying criminals from our white house and congress so we can really become a better America.
It’s not like there hiding the evidence of breaking numerous laws against the constitution.

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No one is in favor of dropping our national defense in exchange for a couple of days of touchy-feely goodness to foreign terrorists.

First, though, we’re talking about current law and order — requiring everyone to abide by our law, including criminals like Donald Trump, the lawbreaker.

Second, we’re talking about a smart defense. God knows the security of our country is poor because of the negligence of Republican Congresses. Look at our still-open ports. How’s airport security with thousands of protesters at the gates? Russia is picking our President. Foreigners are ho-hum hacking into Democratic and Republican computer systems.

Ban “Muslims?” That’s the Republican solution?

Am I supposed to feel safe now, Mr. Ryan, Mr. McConnell?

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By ‘you guys and ladies’ you must mean the United States Congress. We The People can’t do squat about it until the next election in 2 years, and the US Congress isn’t going to go after Him That Got Them There.

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I beg to differ. We the People have much more power than just waiting for an election.
It’s messy, it’s nasty, it’s a lot of work but anyone working for us will listen when they are forced to realize, we really are the boss and they’re all just temporary employees.
Imagine 300 million people knowing that fact and using it together to make America really great.
It’s out there, we just have to work for it.

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Fake news. The bloated sack of skin doesn’t even drive.

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Leaving aside that the author of the piece is almost certainly not a lawyer, and does not understand what happens in a hearing, the writer cites only one judge, asking an obvious question. There’s no evidence of skepticism in the article.

I appreciate your positivity …

But we are human beings… not starlings –

It’s hard enough to get 5 or even 10 people to agree on a direction…let alone a tactic on how to get there . —

Don’t get me wrong…I share the idealism and hope that there may be a way for people to someday play nice together …but right NOW… the situation is too dire to dream — We need to wake up… and realize that cunning and dirty tricks may be called for…at least long enough to stem the tide —

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