What is the sentence for a sixteen year-old who murders in that state, either singly or in concert with another adult? He has been in custody in prison on the previous conviction for how many years?
I am sure the state will appeal and retry the case. I doubt this man will go free.
I am watching the documentary âMaking a Murdererâ now. This young guy is definitely a co-defendant in that murder, and admitted it. His mental handicap may have some sway in sentencing, but the evidence is there, even without the taped confession.
Iâm very interested to see how you felt about Steven Averyâs conviction, guilt or innocence. I watched it and I feel like Iâm the only person in the world who came away thinking the man was guilty as sin. I did, however, feel sorry for his nephew. He was railroaded whether or not he did it.
He is as guilty as homemade sin. There were some highly questionable actions taken by LE, but that doesnât negate the truth of his guilt.
So, Iâm not completely out of my damn mind? Phew! Honestly, thatâs exactly how I felt too. The cops most likely did act outside the law, the may have even framed him, but that was because they knew he did it. That doesnât at all excuse their behavior, and they should have faced consequences just as Avery deserved the consequences of his actions.
I watched the movie and was positive that the nephew was not involved in any way. He just wanted to be out of the interview and go back to do the homework or something. It was clear to anyone that it was just nothing but a frame-up.
Regarding his uncle, you canât say whether he did it or not based on what was depicted in the movie. They did however plant evidence (keys) when the two investigators were given freedom to do. The movie did not include the testimony of his then girlfriend, who has said that Avery mentioned to her âHe wanted to get even with those bitchesâ or something along those lines. I would not convict Avery based on what was presented in the movie even if he did it. There needs to be something more.
From what we saw of the nephewâs interrogation and confession, it was pretty much a textbook example of how not to linterrogate an intellectually challenged minor if you actually wanted to get at what that minor knew or protect the minorâs rights. But I bet the state will spend a pile of money prosecuting again.
What evidence? This child was a victim of piss poor detectives who told him what to say and they would let him go home, a public defender who should have been disbarred a long time ago and his investigator, both of whom worked with the prosecutor and detectives to convict this poor boy. And that scumbag porky the pig prosecutor who tainted any potential juror with his wild fantasies he spun to the press about what happened that night based on little to no evidence. The same prosecutor who was later found to have been sexually harassing women involved in cases he was prosecuting. Are you watching the same show?
This kid has spent most of his young adult life in prison due to this egregious display of just how screwed up the âjustice systemâ is in this country.
Let the guy go already.
Iâm stuck with what would have been Steven Averyâs motive for killing Teresa Halbach? The investigation was poorly handled, the State was bent on revenge for Averyâs release, and âevidenceâ was probably planted. At the very least, reasonable doubt.
Plus⌠no blood anywhere. Neither of them was sophisticated enough to clean it up (add to that the âevidenceâ that (supposing he did clean it up that well, but) he left the magically-appearing key with zero DNA from Theresa (right there to âfall outâ on what? - the 9th consecutive day? - of searching), and the magically-appearing bullet with exact blood-DNA from Theresa (but not a speck of blood anywhere to be found elsewhere), but everybody, and I mean everybody, is sophisticated enough to not just burn the body in a fire in the front yard. Come on!
In the 70âs, several childcare employees were convicted of ritualistic sexual abuse. The stories from the little kids just got wilder and wilder, until one said the animal sacrifices they were forced to perform included a giraffe.
I was reminded of this with Brendan Dassey. In 45
minutes, the interviewers âcoaxedâ out:
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she was tied with ropes
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she was tied with chains
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she was handcuffed
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she was raped
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she was stabbed
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she had her throat slit
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she was strangled
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she was shot (I love how even a borderline retarded child like Brendan, when asked âWho shot her in the head?â - even after âadmittingâ to stabbing her - is instinctive enough to immediately say âuhhh, that sure as shit wasnât me - that was him!â)
and last, but not leastâŚ
- she was burned up in a fire in the front yard.
Alls thatâs missing is an elephant trampling on her.
And even a single drop of blood.
Two most devastating moments:
- Cops: âWell, as youâve probably determined, weâre cops, and weâre gonna have to take you to jail.â Brendan asks, âWill I be home in time for dinner?â
âNo.â
âIâm going to have to spend the night?â
- He calls Mom. âThey say Iâm being âinconsistent.â What does that mean?â
Mom: âOh, honey, I donât know.â
His fucking one-and-only âlifelineâ for help doesnât know the meaning nor understand the concept of âinconsistent.â
Thatâs where this poor guy started at.
Oh boy, do I remember that. The McMartin case. It destroyed peopleâs lives and it all started with the drunken ramblings of a wealthy unhinged mother in Manhattan Beach, a reporter having an affair with the psychologist who provided âexpertâ witness testimony and absolute hysteria trumped up by the gullible press.
Iâm about 75% sure Avery did it, but no way was Dassy was involved and no way these two could have killed the victim in the place the cops said they killed her. They simply didnât have the brains to clean up the trailer well enough to get rid of all the DNA evidence. The cops clearly planted the other evidence in the garage and trailer and daisyâs own lawyer co-operated with the prosecutors in obtaining a confession under duress. This was the dirtiest frame up iâve ever seen. Only lazy stupid criminally motivated cops and prosecutors could have made a mess out of what otherwise might have been a easy conviction for averyâŚspeaking of which, I guess the prosecutor was later proven to be a criminal when he was caught trying to coerce sexual favors out of domestic violence victims he was supposedly representing.
Huh, they must have redone it since I watched it, did they cut out the interview where they pulled him out of school and had him in a room without an adult present? How about the detectiveâs leading questions about her head? You could see the kid struggling to figure out what they wanted him to say, at one point saying they cut her hair, furchristsake. Did you notice that he thought he was going back to class after âconfessing?â Does that show you someone who is mentally capable of understanding what he had just done? It boggles my mind thinking someone could watch that and think this kid did it. But over the years Iâve learned not to be surprised by the goofy shit TPM commenters come up with.