I donât know if Brokow is a creepy harasser or not but I DO know that this woman who feels she was wronged over 10 years ago is getting the 15 minutes of fame she thinks she deserves. Itâs hard to feel sorry for someone who took no responsibility for her OWN life and now is so âoutragedâ. She was wronged, nobody cares, the investigation isnât âgoodâ enoughâŚwhat WOULD be?
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The interview settings were admittedly a bit unconventional and off-putting.
You really need to do more investigating what goes on in cases where senior men (itâs usually, but not always men) harass women or pressure them to have sex. You seem to think itâs a simple matter of a woman standing up for herself. Itâs not. And while we may wish that women would speak out sooner, the delay is not by itself a good reason to dismiss allegations. Like life, itâs complicated.
True. But for a woman to out a man for bad behavior 10-15-20 years after it occurred seems an injustice in the making. I understand some women think it will spare other women similar treatment, acting as a warning to not associate with the man. But does this allow for the possibility the man sheâs outing has changed, and is no longer the lout he once was? There are dozens of behaviors that would justify being leery of a person, and having suffered some sort of wrong through those behaviors is rightly resented. But where in this âMe Tooâ movement does anyone allow for a current assessment of a manâs character and behavior as contrasted with events FROM GODDAMNED 30 YEARS AGO??
Okay, but Iâve never done any of those things. Nor could I imagine doing them regardless of the culture or age around me. Some things are just wrong. These men benefited from abuse of power. Whereâs the justice? Do we just sweep it under the rug? Is âIâve changedâ really enough? Why should more deference be granted the men who were already in power than the women (or anyone) subjected to it? Acting like the time lapse negates the crime essentially writes off entire generations of women (or anyone) as forgotten collateral damage.
In a general sense (AND in this specific case) does this mean that the whole concept of âstatute of limitationsâ is, or ought to be, invalid?
Look up âpower differentialâ, then consider how a lone, subordinate, woman would have fared back then against the âgreatâ Brokaw!
I am PROBABLY your age and I have been harassed more times than I can count. Sometimes I kept quiet and sometimes I spoke out but I always took responsibility. Older men pressuring younger women? For Godâs sakeâŚI donât believe their is a woman alive that didnât get some of that in their careers or school or life. What I am âuneasyâ with is this rush to call out a hug or a kiss on the cheek that looking back you believe stymied your career or was creepy or something. I had an âolder manâ tell me I shouldnât be WORKING because I was taking a job away from a man that needed to support his familyâŚwhen I asked him who was supposed to support ME he leered and told me I wasnât trying hard enoughâŚyuck. This is just an inkling so yeah, I âgetâ it.
And interview conditions can make an enormous difference. If the interviewer doesnât want to hear something, they have almost complete discretion to avoid it. (Anecdote: long ago, a friend was being investigated for a clearance, and the investigator asked about any crimes he might have committed. Another friend in the office said, âHey, what aboutââ| and the interviewer cut him off. And I said no, I couldnât think of anything. Turned out that a certain episode of hijinks had slipped my mind â the other friend was barred from talking about the episode because he only knew of it third hand, but was also barred from reminding me, even though I had firsthand details. The friend got the clearanceâŚ)
Legally? I donât know, IANAL. I imagine thereâs some good reasons to have them that Iâm not privy to. But in terms of public opinion⌠yep.
[quote=âsysprog, post:10, topic:72222â]What I am âuneasyâ with is this rush to call out a hug or a kiss on the cheek that looking back you believe stymied your career or was creepy or something.
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Where is this happening in such abundance that it needs to be curtailed?
In general, I think most people can tell creepy intentions from innocent ones. Especially since women have a lot of basis for comparison as you say.
I think Brokaw is a singularly unpleasant man and I think it might be singularly unpleasant to have to deal with him in any way, including goodnight kisses on the cheek.
If there was actual sexual harassment beyond night night pecks, as Vester would have it, she has my sympathy. Or some sympathy. She doesnât come off as terribly pleasant herself.
The operative word is if. But I am willing to believe that any contact with Brokaw could feel like harassment. There are men with that kind of capacity for negative affect out there, and he could easily be one of them.
I care and responsible Americans cares. We cannot continue to harbor harrassment against women in the work place.
Blaming the victim is very unpleasant to witness. We need facts and from a fair and impartial investigator.
You donât think these accusations are happening in âabundanceâ? REALLY? OK thenâŚI see it, I hear it, itâs being discussed and yes, I have an opinion.
I âcareâ too. Trust but verifyâŚ
You are right of course. But NBCâs apparently not willing to go the extra mile and they may have reason not to be willing.
On the other hand, they probably should hire outside counsel even if they feel there is nothing in the charges. That is really the only way to put the matter at rest, and one can only wait to see what they do. I suspect theyâll buckle eventually.
And if something else comes out, and it turns out Brokaw diddled women against their will every chance he got, then there we are. Till then, though, Iâm not crusading for Linda. If you want to take that as âblaming the victim,â itâs your prerogative.
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A lot of us care. Just because you donât, donât project that on everyone else.
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How about one where the investigators arenât also the ones being investigated? I assume you had this same reaction when Chris Christieâs lawyers announced that Bridgegate was all a hoax? And you would be okay with Jeff Sessions declaring that Trump did absolutely nothing wrong?