I will not attempt to apologize on behalf of Louis (he’s already done so), but my point was simply that I can’t equate physical abuse with emotional trauma (the latter often accompanies the former, I know). Again, what he did was indefensible, I’m just trying to sort out groping someone else versus groping yourself. I am sure neither is pleasant or desirable for the victim. I do hope no one thinks I’m approving of either man’s behavior.
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What makes C.K. bs that much more disturbing is the fact that he has the money to pay for that fetish of his, yet he chooses to victimize women, not to mention he has daughters, WTF?!? Is that what he wants for them? Truly a sick, selfish, entitled fuckwad if there ever was one.
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It’s good to share with virtual friends who I know will understand. Both these incidents haunt me years and years later. I’d recommend karate or something so they could land some blows to the groin before they walked away but after they’d verbally called him out.
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I don’t think you’re approving of his behavior, but you are excusing it, even if you don’t mean to.
And that’s the entire problem, people excuse this shit all the time with boys will by boys, you shouldn’t have worn that, drank booze, been born with tits - I mean shit, the list is endless. NO MORE EXCUSES! It doesn’t matter if a person isn’t as traumatized because they weren’t, as Todd Akin put so eloquently, legitimately raped. The point is, treating any person this way needs to become just as toxic as using the N word. If one likes to beat off in front of people I’m sure there’s an app for that Buy it, download it and let the rest of us alone.
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I agree 100%, it’s good to have a virtual sister/brother. 
I will add I think it’s shameful that we must teach young women to expect this shit from men. Of course not all men will do douchy things, but you never know which ones will, so all are guilty until proven otherwise. Are men okay with that? Do they not understand that when moms have that talk with their daughters it also includes warnings of the possibility of rape, what to watch out for, what to do afterwards if it happens? How many parents teach their sons NOT to rape or do anything of a sexual nature without consent? Not many is my guess. I do believe that will be changing and that change can’t come soon enough.
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Don’t get me started about what would happen walking past construction sites on the streets of Manhattan. It was horrible; some girls might have been flattered at the attention, but it seems to me now it’s the kind of male group behavior that would have preceded a gang rape.
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When I lived in the city I went everywhere with my walkman (remember those?) and only when it broke did I realize I was being catcalled on every block. It was a wake up call to say the least.
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Until recently, KY has been a fairly sane state despite our horrific choices in senators. We’ve only had 2 or 3 Republican governors since the 60’s. Until a few years ago, Democrats controlled every statewide office and both houses in the legislature. But then black president happened and the pieces of shit out in the counties lost their minds.
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Thanks for the quick lesson. My only insight into recent Kentucky history and demographics was a chapter on Kentucky in Confederates in the Attic by Toni Horwitz. Most of it centers on a murder over the right to wear or fly the confederate flag. So you will forgive me if, between the political representatives (including Jim Bunning, who as a youth I admired for his baseball achievements, ugh) and the chapter in that book, I had formed a stereotyped opinion.
Obviously disgusting. But if he thinks it was consensual then how does he also think it was inappropriate (Lordy how I HATE that word!).
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But if he thinks it was consensual then how does he also think it was inappropriate
[/quote]If someone “consents” to do something when you have real or perceived power over them, then it wasn’t really done free and clear right? Hence, “inappropriate.” C.K. actually covers this in his statement.
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If it were consensual, then it would not be inappropriate.
[/quote]People agree to stuff they don’t want to do all of the time, sexual or otherwise.
Whether that is “inappropriate” is a somewhat more subtle point.
Obviously. You miss my point. WE understand it is not consensual. But he does not. Yet he still calls it ‘inappropriate’. He is trying to admit just enough to be forgiven without actually admitting anything at all. What I’m saying is, he can’t have it both ways.
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“Consent” is a legal concept that certainly applies to the situation. Or at least he is claiming it does. Many legal things are very inappropriate, deserving of scorn, etc.