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Give a man a hammer and everything will look like nails to him. Police are taught to treat everyone like suspects, so thatās all they see. And while itās definitely important for them to stay vigilant, politeness and respect are far better tools in most cases than barking orders and pulling guns.
Fear and respect are opposing ideas. Yet cops are trained to believe fear leads to respect. Itās entirely the opposite.
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What youāll never hear, a/k/a the truth:
āSo I saw this lazy fucking n-bomb mooch sleeping on the bench and figured he must be strung out and high on something and that I could land myself an easy arrest by giving him the what-for and searching him for drugs and paraphernalia. I poke him with my nightstick and I tells him, I says, āget the fuck off my bench, coonā and he gets up and starts talking all nonsense at me like he canāt string together a fucking sentenceā¦so heās clearly high and I figure Iāve got myself a live one. I shake my baton in his face and tell him to shut the fuck up and turn around so I can frisk him and he gets all uppity at me, like Iām the one who is bothering him, not the other way around, and he doesnāt have to do what I fucking say. So long story short, I grab him and jerk him around physically to let him know Iām fucking serious and start the frisk anyway, telling him to keep his hands in the air, but he goes fucking nuts, grabs my baton and whacks me across the back of my neck, which hurt real fucking bad, so I figure this n-bomb has it cominā and itās time I teach him a lesson since heās now waving my baton around and looking like heās on the attack. Emptied my clip in the bastardā¦wonāt be disobeying his rightful betters anytime soonā¦ā
Fin
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Sad, but true.
Frankly, itās startling how many people rightly denounce excessive police violence when they see it on video, yet continue to imagine that all the incidents that arenāt recorded happened exactly as the cop described. As if itās purely coincidental that the ones on film happen to be the only ones where the police did anything wrong, as well as the only times they lie about what happened. Yet even when juries see the videos, they often trust the cop over their lying eyes.
If police truly care about justice, the first step is better training and to weed out the bad apples. If they canāt even police themselves, what good are they? But as long as they keep this Us v Them attitude and automatically protect criminals in their own ranks, theyāll continue to have problems. Iām sure itās a tough job, but allowing bad cops to remain on the force only makes it tougher.
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A pair of officers checked on Hamilton, sleeping on a bench, and determined he was doing nothing wrong. Officer Manney did not know of the previous visitsā¦ and while patting Mr. Hamilton downā¦
Manney had no reason to even touch the man, and without that the āneed to subdueā would never have arisen. Time and again the pattern is the same ~ the police officer gets physical first, anything and everything is then taken for lethal escalation.
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In his suit to receive disability Manney now says he has PTSD. I hope he does recive treatment, but, Karma should dictate he receive the same treatment that Mr. Hamilton, the homeless young man he fired fourteen shots into and killed, received.
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I can accept that some use of force was necessary to stop Hamiltonās using a baton to bash Manneyās head in ā assuming that account is accurate ā but two things stand out:
Why did Manney feel the need to roust Hamilton?
And why did it require 14 shots to subdue him?
Also, what the hell ever happened to Tasers? Have they been entirely decommissioned? Werenāt they intended for just this kind of encounter?
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The exact same thing stood out to me. 14 shots in self-defense? And thatās the 14 that actually hit him. Thereās two things that are very troubling about the amount of shots that these officers feel the need to take. Either they arenāt in control enough during the situation to realize they should stop firing, or they are so poorly trained on how to handle situations where deadly force is required that they think this is reasonable.
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ā¦Manney then opened fire, hitting Hamilton 14 times.
FOURTEEN TIMES !!! āAllegedly Shooting And Killingā? Did the deceased Mr. Hamilton allegedly die?
The cop slaughtered Mr. Hamilton in a manic fury of bullets from a semi-automatic weapon. Cop was justly firedā¦but at what point does bad training and poor performance cease to be an excuse for murder or manslaughter?
Andā¦to whomsoever wrote the headline for this articleā¦WTF?
LD
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Indeed.
If you sleep on the street, and wake up to feel someoneās hands on you or in your pockets, you know someone is trying to rob you or hurt you. It might be too difficult to get a criminal prosecution and conviction, but a civil lawsuit might succeed.
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White cop needlessly kills black man. DA says no charges to be filed. Lather, rinse, repeat all across the country.
What I hope is different here is that Manney says he has PTSD. Iām giving him the benefit of the doubt that itās because he shot and killed another human being, not because he was attacked. If only Darren Wilson and George Zimmerman expressed the kind of remorse and unrootedness that PTSD implies Iād have hope for them. Their certainty in the face of certain misjudgement at best and callous murder at worst makes it hard to view them as sensible humans. As well, the people who reflexively and vehemently support them appear as mad beasts who hope to do the same thing one day.
Regret is or ought to be one of the great gifts of humanity.
Of course not, Cops are god, they know all and must be able to snuff the life out of anyone who dares to resist them
Fourteen bullets!!?? WTF kind of training do these cops get nowadays? Wouldnāt one bullet in the leg have done the job, assuming that it actually needed to be done at all? Anyone who fires that many times at a single, unarmed victim has completely lost his shit and has no self-defense excuse whatsoever.
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