Discussion: EU Leaders Meet Without Britain For First Time To Rethink Their Union

As goes domino numero uno, so goes domino numero duo … 1, 2, 3 … said Eisenhower. This EU is only a contrivance benefiting Germany. Their refugee crisis was manufactured by Obama / dubya to let others suffer while America rakes in the gold. Laugh a minute for EU and their idiotic lackeys kissing American asses. And America: What refugee crisis!

It’s kind of humorous in a way because it’s like how you handle a toddler throwing a tantrum. Here’s what you decided, now here’s the consequences. No, we aren’t going to minimize the ramifications of your choices. Maybe next time you’ll learn.

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This is a mess that will only get worse. There are so many players and so much is at stake.
How this benefits England I don’t know. They supposedly deal with immigration but at the cost of destabilizing their own nation and causing a bit of a panic with all of their potential trade partners.

Is getting your hate on really worth all that?

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Some ā€œLeaveā€ voters actually favoured ā€œRemainā€. They just wanted to be cute and make the outcome ā€œmore evenā€.

Seriously.

The problem in Britain–and here–is a political calculus which pits distracted and casual people against determined bigots.

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And this supposedly will benefit Trump in America.

I see it as just the opposite. Our voters now see that ā€˜playing’ with your vote has serious consequences.

Trump or Bernie voters that think that they are sticking it to the man get to see what that kind of petulance actually brings.

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For the ā€œLeaveā€ ers, it WAS worth it. For them, it was a loud defiance of everything that they considered to be elitist, intellectual, progressive, and multicultural.

They showed them what for!

I saw a clip of Farage, one of the worst human stains this life could produce, berating the EU assembly saying that he didn’t think any of them had known an honest days work in their lives. To say that it was offensively outrageous doesn’t do it justice.

So now, Britain is just a backwater with no clout, little trade, surviving on tourism. But, at least, they don’t have to put up with the EU. Well worth it.

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Or so they think. Guess who will get hit first and hardest by this. Right, the ā€˜leavers’ and because they were dumb enough to vote or this in the first place, they’ll surely be dumb enough to place the blame for their new and improved demise in all the wrong places.

Talk about an idea that was never thought through, the leavers just got all happy and left, but now what?

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I see a domino of bad decisions in action.

  1. Cameron thinking he could solve an internal party dispute by holding the referendum.
  2. Giving a non-binding referendum the effective power of law.
  3. The spread of disinformation by Leave leaders.
  4. The vote.
  5. Cameron wimping out.
  6. EU leaders believing a quick EU exit will benefit the alliance.
    etc.

Each action compounds the situation. It won’t end well.

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The bottom line here is that the EU has been increasingly tired of the special status agreements that the UK had grandfathered in since the beginning. It wasn’t such a big deal 15 years ago, but in recent years the UK has grown increasingly petulant and demanding for more and more special exemptions and sweetheart deals … which have pissed off countries like Germany & France, but also sowed great envy and frustration among countries that have joined more recently, and smaller countries with less bargaining power.

Now the UK hands to the entire EU, on a silver platter, exactly the one thing that they’ve been wanting: the UK the fuck out of the mess.

The UK can always apply to re-enter in something, maybe, like ten years (by then it will likely be England). But they will be just another broken country begging to come in on the same terms as anyone else, without any seniority or special powers or other special considerations, exemptions, etc.

Nothing could make the entire EU happier.

The main, minor detail at this point is what to do about Scotland. And, just how far to tell England to shove their arrogant attitude up their collective English arse.

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If I may be so bold:

3) The well-funded, relentless propaganda and carpet-bombing of lies by the right-wing extremists.

I’ll also suggest, in that vein:

7) The simultaneous dancing & celebration of the Leave coalition with their lack of any clue what to do next.

This 7) point I added is critical in its own way. The entire UK government is frozen like a deer in the headlights trying to figure what to do. It’s a catastrophic, failed government at this point … while the rest of the EU is reacting swiftly to take what advantage they can out of this mess. Including Scotland and possibly Ireland/Northern Ireland.

It’s going to take the shattered remnants of the UK government a minimum of a month for basic reaction, and probably nearly total inaction through the rest of the year. Even once (if?) they form a working government in 90 days, the people that are likely to be in charge don’t have any fucking clue what they’re doing … which more likely than not will lead to another failed UK government within 90 days of that.

Just try to imagine England doing nothing effective for the next 6 or more months while they try to sort this out internally.

Scotland really needs to get the fuck out and negotiate directly with the EU how to remain in the EU. They are at Ground Zero of an economic catastrophe that will be shaking the world daily for months. This is their best opportunity to dictate to England the terms of Scotland leaving the UK.

If they’re smart, they will coordinate with Ireland and Northern Ireland and try to work all together on a larger plan for all those territories/countries, and work as a block together with the EU for the best possible deal for all of them while letting England flounder and work its own way through their self-created mess alone.

I’m personally not all that inclined for the U.S. to more than minimally helpful toward England until they actually get their shit together and, at the least, stop throwing a massive temper tantrum.

Quick side-note on Cameron: He didn’t really ā€œwimp-out.ā€ The loss of this vote and the loss of confidence here left him no real choice in the UK political system. There was really no path for him to try and stay, independent of any personal disgrace he might feel. It would be almost as crazy as an American President trying to ignore a full impeachment and telling everyone ā€œFuck off. I’m staying anyway.ā€ Just not an option.

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You may. It’s a good thoughtful read.

My reference to Cameron wimping out was not just about resignation. I wasn’t clear enough about that, sorry. He is normally regarded as a better-than-average organizer and communicator, but failed on both accounts to lay a framework for each possible outcome to smooth the UK’s relations with its people, the EU, and the global markets. And he could have handled his resignation in a more statesmanlike manner. I think his confused, dejected demeanor has added to the ā€˜deer in the headlights’ feel you speak of.