I think that point by point would just bog me down, but I don’t see anything here that isn’t negotiable. Joust one then, China was once the unquestioned enemy of the US. Now it is a very major trading partner and owns a great deal of our debt. You are only repeating your case. I have not written that this must occur, but like many twists in history it only might.
I don’t see anything here that isn’t negotiable
No doubt there were native americans who told themselves that too.
point by point would just bog me down
Yeah, I know. The real world is so tedious.
Bullshit.
You are dead wrong, amice. Any state that attempts to withdraw has in effect declared war against the union.
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Start with Texas…please.
Here’s to the State of Mississippi (Phil Ochs, 1965)
What are you smoking? Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio are the main part of the rust belt and Clinton lost all three. The Clinton campaign was shocked when they lost Wisconsin and Michigan and they have even admitted this in their post mortems.
You really think bailing out the car companies that were on the verge of collapsing during 2008 somehow fixed the problems of the rust belt? Is so then you are confirming my contention that a large contingent of people who comment on this site are out of touch and live in a bubble of privilege.
Saving the jobs of some 1.5 million workers counts for nothing in your eyes?
You don’t even know what the “problems of the rust belt” are, do you.
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The rust belt was in bad shape before 2008 and still is in bad shape. While bailing out the auto industry did save jobs ultimately it merely maintained what little economic life remains in a few major rust belt cities. Your post demonstrates that you are confused and ignorant about basic realities in major parts of the country; Saving the relatively few jobs that remain after decades of major job losses as opposed to creating new jobs on top of those remaining jobs are two different things. Having just visited Youngstown Ohio to give a talk at a University on this subject and hearing the accounts of the broken lives of unemployed residents there I can officially say you are talking out of your ass.
I see–you gave a talk at Youngstown State.
I never said that the Democrats “fixed the problems of the rust belt”, and I will freely admit that I don’t know what life is like in the (former) industrial heartland. But I do believe that there is at least one party–the Democratic one–that gives a damn about workers and is willing to go to bat for them. And I believe any serious examination of policy over the past three decades will show that.
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You reiterate the fact that I gave a talk about my research on the rust belt in Youngstown, a classic post-industrial city, as if speaking there makes what I have to say about the conditions in the rust belt as obviously ridiculous. I think a lot of fair minded people would draw the opposite conclusion. Your insinuation is pretty indicative of someone who will in all seriousness claim that “one party–the Democratic one–that gives a damn about workers and is willing to go to bat for them”. Not as many formally working people in these places believe this anymore and they have several decades of evidence crumbling around them to support this view. Aside from the bailout, it would be great if you could cite the specific policies, which you did not actually name, that were actually implemented by Democratic party in the last three decades that addressed the problems of the rust belt in any significant way. To me it sounds like you are confused between the cultural/rhetorical stlyings of the Democratic party vs its actions. The undeserved sense of superiority and silly mythologizing that your post illustrates is representative of the impediments to the Dem party ever winning again in MI, WI, OH and PA.
Talk to the hand.