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Now if the president nominates someone who says their first job will be to prosecute Bushies like…oh…Bradley Schlozman comes to mind, watch the jaws of the Teabaggers drop in amazement.
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My jaw would drop too. But after that a slow smile would begin to creep across my face. Anyway, enough.fantasy, I have a date with Maggie Q tonight.
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“In the months ahead, I will leave the Department of Justice – but I will never leave the work. I will continue to serve…”
…the banking gangsters, the frauds, the big-money scammers, and anyone with enough capital that I can make the case that if I prosecute them the global economy will collapse so it’s my duty to let them off. Doesn’t matter how filthy a rat bastard they are, how much the taxpayers paid to bail out their criminality, or the size of their bonuses…when they say “jump!” all I’ll ask is how high.
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Have a nice time with Maggie Q.
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I don’t believe it
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Eric Holder is an incomparable force and invaluable voice when it comes to protecting voting rights, putting our criminal justice system on a better and more egalitarian path, advancing the rights of LGBT Americans, reforming our drug laws, policing police forces, standing against Stand Your Ground laws… the list goes on.
I have tremendous respect for this man and no amount of cynicism or arm-chair quarterbacking about what his priorities or strategies should have been should erase our respect for him or our ability to give credit where credit is due. I appreciate those of you out there (I’m looking at you Trippin) that are focused on one single issue or refuse to settle for anything less than perfection, to the point where you are moved to discredit or ignore his incredible achievements and long-term influence on the DoJ, but seriously, don’t get it twisted. This man deserves our respect and gratitude for serving us in the manner that he did. Future AGs have big shoes to fill, and I am confident that their job will be easier because of the groundwork laid by Holder.
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Good for Holder. He’s worked his ass off trying to restore voting rights, being a check on the police (i.e. Trayvon Martin and most recently Ferguson), making sure bp was held accountable for the oil spill and prosecuting terrorists on US soil which drove the right bat-shit crazy. Jailing the banksters would have been time consuming and pointless. They would have all lawyered up and we would have spent all that time in 2009 being mired in that instead of the admin being focused on fixing the economy and other issues facing us. Not to mention he would not have been able to prosecute them due to the laws on the books. What he instead was able to do was go after them monetarily and make some pay for screwing over some of the people with the faulty loans.
Huge job he had while being vilified by the rabid right and many on the left (sometimes I can’t tell the difference between the two factors). I applaud him for hanging in as long as he did and I’ll miss him.
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Bingo. It’s amazing how many people do not realize that on this site. It takes YEARS to build cases like these clowns wanted, and just ONE mistake and you lose. Plus most of the stuff the Wall Street guys did was made to be legal anyway. It’s easy for these posters to say “like wow, he should have thrown them all in jail man”. Right, well, tell you what, go to Law School, get a degree, pass the bar, and then try to prosecute them yourself. Yes, the REAL world is a lot different than the hallucinogenic world these posters live in.
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Even if Holder had gone after the “banksters,” even without actual legal authority or enough evidence for solid prosecutions, many on the left would still have found reason to complain about something. Seriously, even if Holder personally bitchslapped every Republican, executed Bush and Cheney in a public beheading, sentenced every Wall Street exec to lifetimes of community service and hard labor, while also circumnavigating centuries of legal precedent to legalize weed and criminalize assault rifles, there’d be contrarians out there arguing he should have done it faster or with more style, plus he also should have broken Mumia out of jail and figured out where Jimmy Hoffa was buried to boot. There’s just no satisfying some people. It’s just a shame those people have such a disproportionate (and sensationalist) voice in our current political climate.
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As he leaves, I can’t help but think what he would have been able to accomplish if we didn’t have such an unreasonable Congress. The manner in which he has been vilified has been obscene. I work with a lot of people who work for the U.S. Attorney’s Office and they indicate, to a person, that he is a hardworking person who has the best interest of our country as his driving force. Too bad that has gotten lost in the dysfunction that has been our government over the last 6 years.
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OMG I was just telling talking to my mom earlier and expressing the same thoughts.
+1, totally agree.
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You surprise me. Holder is one of the worst AG’s in America’s history. He presided over the largest financial fraud in this country’s history and did absolutely nothing. Not one criminal referral. Not one prosecution. Not one investigation. Prosecutors involved in the S&L banking fraud put over 1,000 white collar bankers in jail. Holder: zero.
And before he was AG he was a corporate whore lawyer, taking fees from some of the worst corporate criminals.
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Pathetic post. What, 'cause Obama is your defense of Holder? Just so you know, before " enough evidence for solid prosecutions" are acted upon, criminal referrals - possible evidence for prosecutions - are put together by front line attorneys and investigators. During the S&L crisis 30,000 such referrals were in fact documented - resulting in 1,000 successful white collar prosecutions.
Under Holder - criminal referrals - ZERO.
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Actually that is not true. There have been some prosecution of certain brokers who encouraged bad loans. And banks have been made to pay civilly through settlements. [quote=“Darcy, post:13, topic:10776”]
Not one investigation.
[/quote] There were investigations however the determination was made that they could not prosecute due to the current laws on the books. Not to mention Wall Street would have lawyered up big time and the process would have dragged on for years. It was fruitless to go after them criminally, as I’m sure you already know.
But I suspect you are not really interested in that , just like you were not interested in the HealthCare.gov site being fixed (I remember your “glee” at it being temporarily broken)
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Taken down by author.
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This is really weak for you TD. “some prosecutions of certain brokers” - you mean a few mortgage brokers were fined - is that what makes my statement “not true”.
What laws?
OMG Wall Street might lawyer up! What’s the DOJ to do!! It might even take a couple of years!
Weak, really really weak.
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You do realize this never going to happen no matter who gets nominated.
Feel better now?
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I was responding to your definitive “there were no prosecutions” claim. You said NONE. You were wrong on that, admit it. [quote=“Darcy, post:17, topic:10776”]
OMG Wall Street might lawyer up! What’s the DOJ to do!! It might even take a couple of years!
[/quote]Yes. And given all the other issues facing the country, it was pointless going through that song and dance when the outcome would have been the same. And people like you would be whining about that too.
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