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what an incoherent response.
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So, is Cruz suggesting heâs totally chill with a gay floristâor ANY businessâtelling evangelical customers to go meet their maker and refuse to serve them?
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Sure. Because they wouldnât want to get gay cooties from a gay florist anyway.
Iâm sure theyâll have no trouble finding a straight florist in no time.
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THAT PROVES IT!!! There IS a war on Christians! God-damned florists!
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âImagine, hypothetically, you had a gay florist and imagine two evangelicals wanted to get married and they decide, âYou know what, I disagree with your faith and I donât want to provide flowers.ââ
Hey, you asshat, homosexuality isnât a fucking a religion, you ignorant turd. You can change your religion, but you canât change your sexuality, you homophobe. And if a gay florist did deny flowers to a pair of evangelicals, yes that florist can be sued for discrimination, asshole.
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Donât know whether to label this as âA Coupla Canucks Chatting About Settled Lawâ or âJuno meets Juno Nothingâ
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First of all, how would the gay florist know the customers are evangelicals? And even if the gay florist knew the customers are evangelical, how would the gay florist know the customers object to LGBT equality, which is what Iâm presuming is the premise of his idiotic question?
And when is somebody going to ask: So, if you think itâs okay for gay people to deny service to an evangelical and if you think itâs okay for a gay couple to deny service to evangelicals, then you must also think itâs okay for someone to deny service to a mixed race couple whose relationship they find morally objectionable?
Oh, and itâs hilarious that the master debater from Harvard is happy to have a conversation but gets whiny and refuses to debate an actress.
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What is so dishonest about Cruzâs response is, the gay florist in his bizarro-world hypothetical would be violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title II) which is already law and 100% Constitutional, and explicitly forbids discrimination in public accommodation on the basis of religion. Form 42 U.S. Code § 2000a - Prohibition against discrimination or segregation in places of public accommodation:
All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.
In other words, the action by the florist in his bizarro-world example is already covered by existing law, and the evangelicals in his hypothetical would have a dead-to-rights winning discrimination lawsuit they could bring.
Any Harvard Law grad should know this (I suspect he does) and he is either lying or stupid (not that those are mutually exclusive).
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Well gosh, being young, intelligent, and gay, she is so biased.
Leave the decision making to straight, unbiased male Christians WHO ARE BEING PERSECUTED for their recent state-sanctioned inability to discriminate against you, Ellen!!!1
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His logic is incompressible.
The left is intolerant because we oppose people hiding behind their religion so they can be intolerant of others?
Itâs OK to use religion to punish gays but itâs bad when Iran does it.
This guy is supposed to be a master debater? More like a masterbator.
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Cruz is obtuse and repugnantly stupid at the same time. He also totally lied about Hillary Clinton and all the Democratic Senators pushing for an amendment to the First Amendment. Nobody is suggesting we alter the First Amendment.
My brothers own a smallâbut very successfulâtowing service in my hometown. Though I know for a fact they have never discriminated against anyone, I always think about this sort of service/business instead of the florist or baker. Is Cruz really suggesting that it should be totally okay for my brothers to ask callers their religious beliefs prior to agreeing to come dig them out of a trench up on the mountain? They are only one of three in the whole county and all are always busy. Many times, people must wait hours or half a day to receive assistanceâand that is on a good day. My brothers are very gracious guys but they do have their âbeliefsâ and feelings about different groups of people. I wonât get into what they say sometimes but Iâll just say they usually curtail their words around me (Iâm not referring to gays; they are totally cool with usâwe tip pretty well, Iâm told) â but they go out of their way to treat everyone (even the fussiest for no reason types) equally, fairly and respectful. They like their work and want referrals by word-of-mouth, which is their actual advertisingâand it works beautifully. That said, my hometown is in rural mountain Virginia, and change is definitely seeping in. If one or more of the tow-service type businesses in that county were to turn away certain types due to their religious beliefs or creed, those who are maligned would be up creek many a day. It sounds like Cruz is saying âBring It On!â
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I would love to ask Cruz if itâs OK for Muslim cab drivers to refuse passengers because they were drinking.
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Harvard Law should rescind this clownâs degree.
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Also, if I was running a campaign I would not let my candidate put on an apron that says âPork. Be inspired.â
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Can that actually be done by a law school? (serious question).
The only person I see making a moral equivalence argument is Ted Cruz - beheaded by ISIS equals baking a cake.
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My goodness, am I the only person in the world who isnât gay? Makes me feel like an old turd.
All kidding aside, good on Ellen Page for confronting that prick.
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How Many Candidates Have âTaken Advantageâ Of Birthright Citizenship, But Oppose It?
by Esther Yu-Hsi Lee Aug 19, 2015 1:44pm
"Ted Cruz
Cruz âabsolutelyâ supports ending birthright citizenship, a Bloomberg Politics reporter tweeted on Wednesday. The Republican Texas senator previously hadnât given a straight answer on his position on the subject, according to Talking Points Memo.
These questions about citizenship have been very relevant to Cruzâ political career. Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada and some observers initially wondered whether that made him ineligible for the presidency. The Constitution states that presidential candidates must be a ânatural born citizenâ but doesnât exactly define what that means. Cruz does qualify, even though he wasnât born in the United States, because he was born to an American mother and gained her citizenship at birth. His father immigrated to the United States from Cuba in 1957 and became a citizen in 2005. "
http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/08/19/3692969/birthright-citizenship-pres-candidates/
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Cruz is so illogical:
- Itâs religious persecution if we force someone to sell to all comers after someone has entered the public market place but itâs not religious persecution if we allow that person to discriminate against other people on the basis of their religion. (or sex or race?)
You shouldnât have to know the religious preferences of the shopkeepers you purchase goods from.
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Heâs arguing that because ISIS kills gays it okay for gays in America to be fired for being gay. Who does he think runs ISIS and who does he think runs America?
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Since the government in Iran hangs gays itâs wrong to call out the Christian community for inciting bigotry against gays to the point that gays there are beaten to death.
Shorter Cruz: If someone somewhere is doing something worse, we Christians donât have to answer for our sins and donât have to put up with you guys telling us what sinners we are.
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