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If Steve Malzberg is asking the question, it is bound to be a stupid RWNJ âGotchaâ question like the kind that Limbaugh poses every day.
Not sure why Eleanor even gave this radical wingnut the airtime of day.
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Stevens was not shot. He was not dragged through the streets by terrorists, raped and beheaded, as many on the fringe right insist. But he was most definitely murdered. When a fire is purposefully set or results from an incendiary device, people who die from it â whether burned alive or asphyxiated â are victims of murder. Unless Ms. Clift was trying to say that Stevens was a casualty of war, which are generally not classified as victims of murder.
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Iâll bet 98% of wingers who yell âBenghaziâ every other minute think Stevenâs body was dragged through the streets after he was tortured and murdered. The facts are very different and Iâm glad someone is saying so if perhaps somewhat inelegantly. Sure, he was murdered, but rather indirectly.
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Meh. I am willing to give her a break on this one. Clift has been dealing with these idiots on the talk shows for decades. Quite frankly I would have started trolling them LONG ago
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Semantically she is probably right. He was âkilledâ in an attack on the embassy. To be âmurderedâ you will have to prove that the attackers specifically targeted him as in an assassination attempt. Did they?
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I canât believe that McLaughlin Group is still around. It is a relic of the pastâand not a positive one. Shrill ideologues talking over each other with a âmoderatorâ who is like a caricature, plucked directly from âBonfire of the Vanities.â Eleanor Clift is the resident Alan Colmes. If thatâs the only gig she can get at this point, she should seriously consider retirement.
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Jabbing a finger into the eye of conservatives is good sport.
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Why give the Benghazi truthers more ammo? This is not helping.
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Speaker John Boehner voted against increasing embassy security in Benghazi to fund tax breaks for his campaign donors. This is not being discussed. How many in the Republican witch hunt committee voted against embassy security?
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While some may take perverse joy in tweaking conservative outrage, Cliftâs comment was insensitive, ill-advised and clearly wrong. Standing by her statement is stupid. The thread running through the rightâs attempt to manufacture a scandal from Benghazi is that the White House/Democrats/all liberals donât take the deaths of Ambassador Stevens and the others seriously. Cliftâs comments advance their argument.
Victims of terror attacks are murdered, full stop. At least we can agree on that much.
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UmâŚdid you read the story? Sheâs not giving them ammo, sheâs giving them grief.
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All of this is just word play. Wittengenstein would be amused.
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Oh, I agree. I definitely give her a pass here. Iâm just trying to figure out what she meant.
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Iâm sympathetic to Ms. Clift here but I disagree with your line about targeting. Say an arsonist burns down a building for the insurance, and a family dies in the fire, isnât it proper to say they were murdered even though they werenât specifically targeted? They were regarded as expendable and died as a result, and I think that fits the legal definition of murder. Maybe not Murder One, but murder nonetheless. Or is that a form of manslaughter? Whereâs NCSteve? Heâs good with these legal questions.
Iâm not a lawyer, but I think semantically and legally she is very likely incorrect. The definition of murder varies by jurisdiction, but deaths that are caused in the commission of a felony (like arson) are generally considered âfelony murderâ. Deaths that are caused by indifference to human life can be considered âdepraved heart murderâ.
The attackers actions may or may not have constituted a deliberate, willful, intention to kill Ambassador Stevens, but that doesnât mean his death and the others were not murders.
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Dude was murdered, same as if an arsonist set fire to his house.
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Umm⌠yeah, I read the article. Thanks for being condescending.
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