Discussion for article #239072
What?!! You mean the President Obama proposed something good, even vital, for the country and possibly humanity, and the Republicans are against it? OMG!
Just what is it about this President that makes all those GOPers livid? What could it be? What could it be? Perhaps heās just too tall? No? Maybe his ears look funny? No? Gosh, what is it about him that makes the GOP see red?
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Truth, that the program will never see the light of day, due to well-funded challenges through the court system which will probably go all the way to the SCOTUS.
As far as Iām concerned, Iām just happy that Obama tried to do something, anything, to re-direct emissions and the rest of it.
For all that has been critically said of Obama, he will go down in history as a much better President than heās currently being given credit for. On the other hand, it will be irrevocably clear, historically, that the opposition is the monster in all of this.
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I wish the headline writer knew what he or she was talking about. This is the Clean Power Plan. The closest we have to a climate change plan is the Presidentās Climate Action Plan of 2013. This piece of that plan - while clearly very important - is only one of dozens of actions that have been or will need to be done asap in order to avoid climate catastrophe.
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Itās called the green eyed monster.
I maintain he will go down as one of the best presidents since FDR. I LOVE MY PRESIDENT
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Obamaās had almost seven years to do something on the environment. Obama knows full well what his ālegacyā will be:
- Passing and signing the most perfect piece of corporate crony legislation in American history and calling it āhealth care reformā
- Extending the war in Afghanistan and Middle East;
- Pushing to cut Social Security;
- Raising rates on college loans;
- Refusing to back real Wall Street reform;
- Not helping people with under water mortgages but bailing out banks;
- Paying bank CEOās ābonusesā with tax payer money;
- Working hard to privatize public education;
- Remaining silent on our two-track tax system that favors the most wealthy;
- Not closing Gitmo;
- Not prosecuting Cheney and W for war crimes;
- Not prosecuting private contractors and mercenaries for torture and murder;
- Increasing the use of drones to kill and maim civilians;
- Retaining Wās policies of spying on Americans without warrants;
- Supporting annual military budgets greater than those passed during World War II; and
- Trying to push through TPP, another give away program for corporations.
Very consistent āgameā. Now, Obamaās spending a year fiddling with stuff he should have done seven years ago.
A step above Warren G Harding.
I wonder how much $$$$ will be behind this āagainstā climate change plan
As long as the plan gives a pass to methane spewing natural gas, itās worse than meaningless.
We never would have guessed that.
Thank you, thank you for once again giving us the position of the Green Lantern Ring Progressive Unicorn Pony Club. Because none of us had ever heard any of that before.
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Total silly nitpick ā the woman on the āWe Can Do Itā poster is not Rosie the Riveter:
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Hey negative Nancy, have a cup of hot chocolate, youāre getting cranky.
Donāt stop fighting the fight regardless of the mega-corps that we must also fight against.
This fight has to be won, thatās it, the alternative is, everyone loses and DIES but some day with more money and we have no viable Earth any longer.
The greed behind those that are against trying to change climate change is perplexing. They can afford it, they will still be the energy companies raking in zillions and they would have products that arenāt limited. Itās like they are spoiled kids that just wonāt get along and need spanked.
The naysayers on these new regulations are just whistling past the graveyard. The Supreme Court has already ruled on this concept and found it within the meaning of the Clean Air Act and the Constitution. The only reason the last set of regulations was struck down was because the wingnuts decided that the EPAās cost-benefit ratio calculations formula failed to give adequate weight to the burden to the affected industries. The EPA has fixed that objection and the wingnuts are out of excuses. Not that Scalia and Scalia II ever need a reason to strike down issues they have a political bias against.
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Youāre describing George W. I believe.
As you say sir, the mood will pass.
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What? Why? Carbon dioxide is responsible for 60% of anthropogenic warming while methane is only responsible for 25% of the warming. Why would regulating the bigger problem, while ignoring the smaller one for now, be āworse than meaninglessā? That doesnāt even make sense.
That is like saying if there are two arsonists, one who is lighting six houses on fire per week, and the other is lighting two per week, that catching the former is meaningless as long as the latter is out there. That doesnāt make any sense.
In the 2015 survey of the American Political Science Association (the people who generally put together these lists) President Obama is currently ranked 18th. Of course this number will move around as his legacy becomes clearer, but he certainly scored better than W (35th).
Of the presidents since FDR (inclusive) these are the rankings for those interested:
FDR - #3 (behind only Lincoln and Washington)
Truman - #6
Eisenhower - #7
Kennedy - #14
LBJ - #12
Nixon - #34 (ha! W ranks below Nixon!)
Ford - #24
Carter - #26
Reagan - #11 (donāt look at me, I donāt agree either)
HW Bush - #17
Clinton - #8
W Bush - #35
Obama - #18
So based on people whoās specialty is American Presidents, out of the 12 presidents since FDR, Obama currently ranks #8. Personally, I think he will go up a little, but I still hold LBJ at top.
for those who are curious, William Henry Harrison scored at #39. He was only in office for 30 days before dying and did not sign any legislation. So #39 is considered completely neutral. Below #39 would be worse than no president. The Presidents who hold that ignominious honor are Franklin Pierce (#40), Andrew Johnson (#41), Warren G. Harding (#42) and drum roll pleaseā¦ James Buchanan is the worst president ever! Good choice in my opinion.
Again, should be noted, that Bush is only 4 places better than leaving the office vacant, and was the worst president since Harding. Objectively, academically, the worst president in 80 years. Amazing.
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