Jindal has the “Jesus rode a dinosaur to home school” vote locked up.
As I pointed out, the US has had birthright citizenship as part of Common Law since the first English settler arrived on these shores. The 14th Amendment didn’t create it.
Yes, also succeeded by a president and mortal enemy notably for having further expanded democracy but likewise a presidency marked by a few notable achievements intermixed with amazingly foolish or downright evil policies and a public and private life so entangled with awfulness as to make Jefferson worthy of that monument after all. So of course, we put the man who threw the nation into a long depression by destroying the central bank on our current central bank’s most popular currency note.
The one remaining thing that makes me most uncomfortable with the Democratic Party is that it still celebrates “Jefferson-Jackson Day.”
I guess, in one sense you have a point…
In the same sense, voter ID laws, poll taxes, states rights, rebel flags, mandatory minimums, stand your ground laws, attacks on welfare, birtherism, mysterious political realignment in 1965, southern strategy, unprecedented obstruction in Senate starting January 2009, Darren Wilson’s freedom, uneven response to Katrina, foot-dragging Lynch’s nomination, and the tea party are not inherently racist.
Just the obvious intent.
Context is key here.
Republican politics has become such a hodge-podge of unconstitutional solutions to made-up problems that it’s getting harder and harder to keep up. With the base so constantly riled up about these pseudo-crises, it’s no wonder they forget what their real problems are and who’s to blame for them.
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I prefer “Born 1 foot from home plate and convinded they hit a home run”…
You don’t think Adams’ Alien and Sedition Laws were a gross abuse of power? That journalists or members of Congress could be and were jailed for supporting France over Britain is something you think was a good idea? Should we jail people over which side they take on the Iran deal?
…Born after the game is done, convinced he’s the MVP?
"Federal agents recently raided 37 sites in southern California, which appear to have provided thousands of Chinese women the chance to give birth to babies on U.S. soil in exchange for fees of up to $60,000. Enticements included not only the opportunity to acquire automatic citizenship for their children – a package of free schooling, food, health and retirement benefits potentially worth millions of dollars – but also more mundane attractions like nannies, trips to Disneyland and fancy restaurants.
The New York Times notes that affidavits filed by law enforcement authorities “quote Chinese government sources as reporting that Chinese nationals had 10,000 babies in the United States in 2012, up from 4,200 in 2008.”
For prosperous Chinese or residents of unstable countries like Russia, an American passport represents an invaluable safety net. Some estimate that as many as 40,000 children from all over the world are born under such circumstances in the U.S. each year. Over time, with family members climbing aboard, the total allowed into the country multiples.
Once those babies turn 21, and if they are in the country, they can sponsor other family members to enter the U.S. Under our law, which promotes family unification, parents, siblings and minor children of a U.S. citizen are welcome. According to a report from John Feere of the Center for Immigration Studies, admitting family members account for most of the nation’s growth in immigration levels. Of the 1,130,818 immigrants who were granted legal permanent residency in 2009, a total of 747,413 (or, 66 percent) were family-sponsored immigrants."
Specifically what national interest is involved in this industry of providing citizenship for the children of wealthy Chinese women?
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I can Make America Great Again if I’m not hampered by that LOSER Constitution!
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No kidding…
The only way it could be worse is if they had a centralized propaganda outfit disguised as a legitimate media company acting on their behalf…
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The Alien Act gave the president the power to order the deportation of enemy aliens at a time we were in a de-facto war with France that was sliding into a declared war. If the Federalists had limited themselves to it, none of us would have blinked at it. Dealing with enemy aliens is a thing you have to do when you’re at war and they rarely get treated gently.
The Sedition Act was, of course, blatantly unconstitutional and a stain on his record. But he was beleaguered and beset by members of his own party and by Vice President Jefferson, who was actually funding smear attacks against him, and there was a general sense that the country was on the brink of anarchy and revolution. The temptation must have been enormous. From the standpoint of a lawyer whose career was in
English law, well it was just the kind of thing the British Parliament would have done, judicial review hadn’t been established, and we as yet had no law other than the bare words of the First Amendment.
So, on one hand, that one blot measured against all Adams’ achievements and centrality in our history–the man who more than any other, was the political father of independence, who secured critical financing at a terrible time as an ambassador. And on the other, all of Jefferson’s manifold faults–the toting up of his own children as property in his ledger books to be sold to pay his debts when he died not least among them–and the general not at all greatness of his presidency, and Jefferson gets the memorial? Jefferson, who built his campaign on opposition to the Sedition Act and then, having won, used it against his own critics before it expired?
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OK Donnie… repeal the 14th amendment… What then? How do we gain citizenship? I’m a father of a son. My wife and I were both born here as was my son…AND HIS SON. Are we all now supposed to be non-citizens? Is citizenship only for the rich?
I hate the comparison but this is just the sort of radical rights change the Nazis did in the 1930’s in Germany. Jews who had lived in Germany for 100’s of years were suddenly non-citizens and lost all their civil rights.
This is evil!! Trump is showing he does not support the Constitution!!
We’ve had birthright citizenship for nearly 170 years.
If Trump were to repeal the 14th amendment he should also consider the other parts of it. Sectons 2 &3 concern how the Senate is composed and how Congressional districts are enumerated. There’s a lot more than just birthright citizenship there.
US Constitution, Section 9, Article 3: No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
Please keep the hysteria at a manageable level.
And as to the status of Amendments, please note the history of Amendments 18 and 21.
So you’re saying birthright citizenship is only for white folk?
Do we toss out the baby with the bathwater just to prevent anchor babies?
So, birthright citizen status is removed… what then? How is citizen status to be conferred? Wealth? Race? Politics? Arrest record?
We are speaking of amendment 14 I believe.
Citizenship and the status of the House and Senate are somewhat different than prohibition of alcohol.
Edit:
The 1st section of the 14th concerns several things, not the least of which is “due process of law”:
“Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the
United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the
United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or
enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of
the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws”.
Do you really want to do away with due process and the equal protection clauses as Trump seems to want??
Do you understand “ex post facto law”? That is, a law cannot be passed which changes something that happened previously. In other words, whatever change in Amendment 14 occurs will not change the status of current citizens, only the status of persons in the future. I would advocate replacing the “birthright citizenship” with a clause about the citizenship of parents.
The point of Amendment 18 (prohibition of alcohol) and 21 (repeal of Amendment 18) is that there is precedence for revision and repeal in the constitution. Amendment 14 has served its purpose. It has no place in our current situation. It can and should be repealed without affecting any current citizen. I advocate only the repeal of the birthright citizenship portion, BTW.
Please try to reason thoughtfully. Hysteria is not helpful.
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Standard republican fare…
Put another way…
“I got mine, don’t tax me…”
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I have often thought of the Old Folks at the local Mickey D’s gathered around the TeeVee watching FOX, in plain view of the mostly younger people their Republican votes have robbed of financial reform, infrastructure, jobs programs, student debt relief.
Birthright citizenship derives from Common Law, not the 14th Amendment. It existed the day the first English settler stepped off the Mayflower or the ships that went to Virginia.
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Center for Immigration Studies? You mean the white-supremacist- and eugenics-linked anti-immigrant think tank?
http://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/pdf/static/splc_nativistlobby_022009.pdf
It’s OK if you’re against immigration and immigrants, and if you cite pseudo-legitimate organizations to back up your dubious claims, but good luck getting that amendment passed.
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