Discussion for article #237275
âItâs all the Drunken Frat Boyâs fault!! Iâm just an old man!â
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of course it was unrealistic. It was all about establishing a US client state, just like every other US-engineered coup since forever. But how do you sell a war with that much-too-blunt rationale? So you cook up bullshit about democracy.
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I dont remember dubyah saying âwe will in fact be greeted as liberatorsâ
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âWe know where they [Iraqâs WMD Democracy] are. Theyâre in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhatâŚâ
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Donny BoyâŚlet us be honest here. G.W. Bush could have cared less about Democracy in Iraq and YOU are the one at fault here not him (other than in a "The Buck Stops Here kind of way).
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âThe clusterfuck that President Bush envisioned was unrealistic. The clusterfuck that Cheney, Wolfowitz and I engineered was based on realistic neo-con fantasies.â
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Left unsaid by Rumsfeld is that the neoconservative dogma to which he has literally signed on, doesnât care for democracy one bit except as a sham to fool the proles into thinking they actually have some say in their government, or as a tool to be manipulated to put neoconservatives in power. Donât believe me? Read up on neoconservatism. Start with its philosophical godfather, Leo Strauss. It is a deeply cynical and nihilistic philosophy of governance and foreign affairs. NOBODY who is a neoconservative or who can be influenced by them, should ever be elected to office. That is, unless you enjoy dying for and paying for an endless string of needless wars.
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George W. Bush Was âUnrealisticâ About Democracy In Iraq.
Methinks this begins the 2016 POTUS Olympic Trials in the event of:
Underbus Thowinâ
jw1
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How convenient, Rummy! Did you express the same concerns back then?? If not, why not?? This is the same sort of shameless and arrogant behavior weâve come to expect from all of the architects of the Iraq fiasco.
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Now you tell us, dumsfeld.
Oh no, are you running to be a part of jebbies cabinet?
People please, NEVER elect another bush!!
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The irony here is really rich . . . .as is the understatement.
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"youâre not going to win this with bullets, youâre in a competition of ideas,â
Gee, now you tell us.
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Another one throws W under the bus. Whoâs left among the True Believers besides Cheney? Where does Rice fall on this continuum?
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âThe idea that we could fashion a democracy in Iraq seemed to me unrealistic. I was concerned about it when I first heard those words,â Rumsfeld told the newspaper.
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fancier Rumsfeld: âOut, damned spot! Out, I say!âOne, two. Why, then, âtis time to do ât. Hell is murky!âFie, my lord, fie! A soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our power to account?â
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She has âmoved on.â Wonât be talking out of class.
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Donald: Please be reading here:
Clearly your mind is failing you as to your own plan for a new American Century. Howâd that work out for you and your buddies.
Remember that 22-volume State Department study spelling out plans for dealing with an invasion of Iraq. It proved to be pretty damned prescient in recognizing the likely problems. Only problem was you threw it in the dumpster and put Paul Bremer in charge, who then fired all of the Iraq military and that led to ISIS. Small details I know, but important.
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Most of the big ideas were Ahmed Chalabiâs, channeled thru Rumsfeld & Cheney.
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Same as the rest. Henny Penny the sky hath fallen. Defending themselves to the grave is the only option. Perhaps a teeny, tiny modicum of justice.