WTF, please proceed, SCOTUS!
Rules and process clearly donât matter to the Trump administration or the Solicitor General. Weâll see if they still matter to the Supreme Court.
"Supreme Court intervention, even when cases are at a relatively early stage in the judicial process. "
From my understanding the Supremes like to come in at a much later time in cases they hear.Hail Mary right about now DOJ is throwing.
âMonday eveningâs letter is part of a pattern under the Trump administration of the Justice Department aggressively seeking Supreme Court intervention, even when cases are at a relatively early stage in the judicial process.â
DuhâŚthey think they have the SCOTUS in their pocket and most of us agree they do, so why WOULDNâT that be their strategery?
Trump got to appoint 2 justices, so he now thinks itâs âhisâ Supreme Court.
John Roberts and the majority of conservative justices on the Court see the Court as a political instrument and as a conjoined appendage of the christian conservative movement and Republican Party. The newest christian conservative Rapist-Boofer justiceâs rant against the Senate Judiciary Committee confirms that view. Remember sleazy Alito when President Obama was speaking at the State of the Union?
My money is on the likelihood that the Court will be very deferential and bend over akimbo. On national security grounds, of course.
I am very curious to see what the christian conservative Rapist-Boofer justice has to say.
Solicitor General Noel Fransisco filed an unusual letter with the Supreme Court Monday suggesting that the Supreme Court âreconsiderâ delaying the caseâs post-trial proceedings.
The letter continued, âIf you know whatâs good for you!â
Iâm expecting the worse. If we get the best Iâll work with it.
Trump wants to get rid of any âlower courtâ looking at his Admin. Wonder if this is part of the Flood and/or Judicial Watch plot ro remake rhe judicary. Recall Whit-less-takerâs disdain for Marbury vs Madison.
They have good reason to believe that. They have four absolutely guaranteed votes and another one if they apply a little bit of pressure or enticements.
The court already said no once to a delay. I think, hope, that the Supremes donât want to look as though they are jumping through Administration hoops because of partisanship.
This is most likely true on the conservative side for Roberts, who has already taken an unusual step in responding to Tâs claims that there are Obama judges and Bush judges. The unspoken premise of that claim is that Trumpâs appointees on SCOTUS are Trump judges - and will vote in lockstep with his wishes.
I really doubt that Roberts wants to go down in history as the CJ that allowed the court to become and be seen as a lap dog to the Executive. Sort of the anti- Chief Justice Marshall. I donât think that all the other justices from the Federalist Societyâs farm system are quite as tuned in to institutional concerns. OTH, we are talking about people with some pretty big egos. I donât think they want to be seen that overtly as Trumpâs tools.
âUh, nice court you have here. Be a shame if anything happened to it.â
Letâs seeâŚwe have Trump attacking CJ Roberts, and now the DOJ is trying to bully the SC en banc. (I know thatâs not how that term is used, but it seemed appropriate for this situation.)
You have to wonder if their party allegiance is stronger than their identity as an equal branch of government.
I am not so sanguine that Johnny Robertsâ legacy and stock will rise very much higher than conservative Chief Justice Roger Taney of Dred Scott infamy. After all, Johnny declared racism over, money free speech and bribery of conservative christian governors with suitcases of money, Rolexes, vacations and luxury cars constitutional. Johnny Roberts personally went out of the way on behalf of the christian conservative extremist movement to bat for Governor Forced Vaginal Ultrasound and to keep him out of jail. And the Muslim ban? That was national security, of course. Duh.
Johnnyâs comments over the Thanksgiving weekend was smoke and mirrors feint and deception.
DOJ âSuggestsâ SCOTUS 'Reconsiderâ Delaying Census Case Proceedings
Big fish on the hook, squirming to get away.
Perfectly reasonable - Iâm more hopeful then anything. He has given some indication of his position as leader of the branch, and his response on the characterization of judges by appointing Presidents suggests to me that he has the notion of an unbiased court tucked in there somewhere. His description of judges as umpires at his hearing was simplistic at best - sort of like Scaliaâs belief that we can discern the Platonic intentions of the founding fathers as to gun control.
The base line for me is that Toberts isnât blindly saying yes to everything Trump wants. And the more Trump suggests they should and do heel when he whistles, the more turned off roberts will be. And that means maybe he wonât go with gut reactions but get more into issues.
I donât think Iâm totally naive. Iâve seen it happen.
The degree of frantic desperation the administration is showing in this case is difficult to square with the subject matter. Iâm inclined to think that theyâre trying to cover up something much, much worse than what we already know about. Like maybe dead 12-year-old boy sex slaves.
The GOP is very anxious to delay this proceeding until it is too late for the 2020 census. That tells me they are convinced the question will have a real impact on results in the Southwest.
Party member to Party memberâŚ
You may have RBG, but weâve got the best thugs from around the world. And those Saudi guys⌠man, they just cut to the chase, ya know?
Um, Iâm not sure about âresults in the Southwestâ but, yes, a badly skewed census will help entrench the GOP in various ways. I donât think thereâs any doubt at all that adding the question will reduce the number of people responding to the census and those people are somewhat more likely to be Dem votes and significantly more likely to be urban dwellers. So, resources (including political resources) allocated based on census data will be misallocated in ways that benefit the GOP and hurt the Dems.
Thereâs no doubt at all that the reasoning for adding the question is: It benefits the GOP. We can argue about how much it benefits the GOP but thereâs strong evidence that the value of the question to the GOP far outweighs whatever negative political price they might pay for it. Sure, some legal and/or think tank resources will be spent on the issue, protecting people from legal consequences and spinning misinformation to soften the political fallout but I canât see the GOP losing very much at all politically. Assuming the issue is decided in one way or the other by the SC, I canât see Roberts and Co. worrying much about the political fallout. Maybe they try to soften it a little bit by adding a few ifs ands or buts but I think theyâll make sure the question is added to the census, given the opportunity.
So, yes, delay is the only way for the Dems to win this one. I think itâs possible theyâll be able to delay things so that itâs impossible to add the citizenship questions but even with a serious delay, Iâd guess the GOP will figure out a way to add the question, even if itâs a costly complicated change at the last minute. The Dems should at least try to extract some political price and maybe, just maybe, theyâll get lucky and some Republican involved who doesnât benefit from the big picture effects of adding the question will back down but at this point, I donât have much hope that the census will happen without a citizenship question.