Discussion: DOJ Files Legal Docs With Trump's Move To Halt Obamacare Insurer Subsidies

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“Dems should call me to fix!”

Well, here’s one Dem’s response. “Nope. This is on you, asshole.”

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Trump is imploding…he’ll do all he can to remove people with pre-exising conditions from reasonable insurance.

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Well, as long as Jeffrey Beauregard is cool with it I guess it’s OK, right?

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Now the pain comes in those red states that took the subsidies. Battle Ground Ayn Rand begins in those states for conservatives who promised the world and can’t even deliver the Top 1%'s leftovers.

The blue states are smart enough to figure out how ways to get around Donald’s newest edit. But states like KY and TN are in for a near collapse of their healthcare system. The political damage it does to all incumbent Republicans will be permanent. Repeal without replace has consequences.

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No, we’re going to let our bet ride, Con Man.

Too stupid to fold, Trump has bet the GOP’s future on a bluff that nobody believes much less is going to take up. And he’s committed himself to personal political suicide as well. Doctors will close practices and go to work for the drug companies. Rural medical centers will close. Emergency rooms will hire para-military to keep out the uninsured.

Oh, yes. It’s going to be a bumpy ride for a while, but we are going to get there in the end. How many Republicans do you suppose think their days are now numbered? How long do you suppose it will take for the TeaBaggers to cry for impeachment if not Donald’s CombOver scalp?

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Remember that many people will suffer physically and/or financially. When I left my old job, I was lucky enough to have a client that afforded me the opportunity to purchase coverage for my family from 2000 through 2015. That ended, and last year, I went onto the exchange, and wound up with a Cigna plan with monthly premiums for my wife, college daughter, and myself, coming to approximately $1,600 (bronze plan), plus vision and dental on top.

Our family income decreased dramatically this past year, but we still earn too much to qualify for subsidies (without regard to whether they will continue to exist), and my monthly premium for a lesser bronze plan will be in excess of $2,000 (excluding vision and dental). Cigna ditched Floridians for the upcoming year, leaving us to FL BCBS, or some unknown insurance company offerings.

I wonder if those estimated 2018 premiums will shoot up even higher now in light of Herr Drumpfe’s idiotic political ploys, which he likely doesn’t even understand have consequences.

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It’s a fact that a lot of states whose residents are enrolled in ACA voted for trumpp: Florida, with just under 1.3 million selections; Texas, with about 776,000; North Carolina, with 369,077; Georgia, with 352,000; and Pennsylvania, with 290,950.

If they had only believed him when he said what he did, they might not have voted for him. But they did, and they’re the biggest losers.

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This is epic fail in so many directions. For the country, anyone with a subsidy will see no increase in the premiums they actually pay, because the law still covers that. The law (as I understand it) also requires the CSR’s to be paid, so any insurance company can file suit and eventually get the money due it, assuming that the state lawsuits don’t pre-empt the issue. The cost to the government is the same or higher regardless of which way the payments get made. And the people who make enough to not get subsidies are also people who vote.

It’s just one more incredibly expensive stupid “Trump to America: Drop Dead.”

I’ve said it before, but I can’t believe I’m witnessing an American president inflicting deliberate, calculated cruelties on his fellow citizens. My own personal American exceptionalism, which held that the American electorate would never, ever elect a snakeoil, “I alone can fix it” authoritarian, was on life support after last November. It’s officially dead now. His cruel, abusive and self-serving character was on display for nine months in 2016–today’s outrage was utterly predictable–and they still chose him. I am still in shock.

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Fuck you , you and the gop own it now. all democrats need to run on fixing the damage this ditaitor did to Obama care. And say it the way it is. he did it with malice to try to degrade the black president that helped millions of Americans get affordable health care. As of yesterday this has become trump care and democrates need to call it that.

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this is now Trump care. And i hope trumpturds die first.

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T rump, and every single one of his Secretaries, are pirates. They sailed into the White House, and they are pillaging and destroying and removing everything that ever made American great. They are simply pirates, and pirates are criminals.

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The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated in an August report that ending the CSR payments would cause premiums for those who benefit from the payments to rise by 20 percent by 2018 and 25 percent by 2020. The CBO also found that ending the payments would add $194 billion dollars to the federal deficit by 2026.

Not to mention that this wil throw millions off ACA and set the insurance market in a tail spin…

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Mission accomplished.

Dems should call me to fix!

How exactly is that supposed to work? Perhaps DT is going to sign an Executive Order granting himself enough votes in the House to bring the D’s into the majority and enough votes in the Senate to override a filibuster.

Seems 45 is itching for his approval ratings to drop into the 20’s

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That’s where I’m confused. The DOJ apparently supports the Republican point of view that the CSRs are not legal because they were never appropriated by Congress, and the case has not been settled. Looks like Repubs got what they claimed they wanted, but are any of them going to try to stop this horror?

What happens now? Can trump single-handedly just stop paying? Will insurance companies just say, “Fuck this” and walk away rather than spend more money going to court?

People will die.

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