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Your personal liberty ends where your ability to give me the plague begins.
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The vaccine herd effect: If I’m vaccinated and you aren’t, I’m protecting you, but you are not protecting me. You and yours can get vaccinated or leave the herd now.
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Soon Fox will issue an apology: “We regret giving a platform for informed experts to draw fact-based conclusions on our network. We know we let our loyal viewers down, and for that we sincerely apologize. Please know that we’re working hard to make sure this never happens again.”
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The problem is that there is a cult of the individual that has infected this nation. This country became great because we worked together contrary to the ideas pushed today by the radical right.
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Pertussis has shown us that even the herd effect is not infallible.
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What the anti-vaccine crowd has proven, beyond a shadow of doubt, is that a terrorist would be able to drop a vial of a live virus at any crowded place and cripple a city, state, or country within days.
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If them Ebola-carryin’ Central American kids stopped comin’ here, we wouldn’t need no vaccines!
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We were talking about this at work yesterday. My opinion is, as were the others at the table, that if you don’t want to vaccinate your kid…fine, but you can’t enroll them in any schools (Day Care through Post-Graduate). If you don’t want to play by society’s rules, then you shouldn’t be allowed to participate in society. That would help a lot of these people to find the way out of their own arse.
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I think there’s an argument for personal liberty. If you’re thinking about not vaccinating your child, simply play a game of Russian Roulette with them. If the child lives, then go to step 2. In Step 2, you have to convince your neighbor to play Russian Roulette with their child as well. If their child lives, go to Step 3. In Step 3 you have to convine your next neighbor to play Russian Roulette with their child as well. When you’ve made it through the entire neighborhood and all the children are health and safe, and all the parents satisfied, then you don’t have to vaccinate your child.
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No it hasn’t. You have to have close to 90% vaccination rates for herd immunity to prevent an outbreak. Pertussis vaccination aren’t anywhere near 90%. Why is that you ask? Everyone gets their whooping cough vaccine when they are a kid? Because the vaccine requires a booster every ten years or so, just like Tetanus, or it becomes ineffective. And like Tetanus, most adults don’t bother getting the booster. So when was the last time you had your pertussis vaccination (hint: it comes in the tetanus booster)?
The problem is pertussis is a healthy adult can be as mild as a long lasting chesty cough (adults very rarely develop the characteristic whoop in the coughs), where it can spread to their children or students and hospitalize or kill them. So you don’t see the disease spreading through the adult population, just among the children. The adults serve as carriers. Like rats. Just like chicken pox is mostly (not entirely) harmless for kids, but if you get a non-immunized senior citizen (or one who didn’t have the disease as a child), it is debilitating and possibly fatal.
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Now yer startin’ to sound like one of them thar Socialistas.
FOX heard that Pres. Obama favors measles vaccine for children.
The problem is that is punishing the child and endangering their future success for their parents’ idiocy before the kid can even make a case for themselves. No, the punishment should be wide-spread social shaming and legal consequences, such as much higher health insurance premiums and possible monthly visits from CPS.
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My wife and I have had strong disagreements about vaccines, but she is relenting and we are vaccinating our young children with dtap and mmr. For me it’s mainly to say “we did it” because I still have my own doubts about the efficacy of vaccines and the “herd immunity” argument.
If you do some in-depth reading about the pertussis vaccine, you’ll see that those who are vaccinated carry, can get sick with, and can transmit the weaker form of the virus. This weaker form is responsible for many of the reported cases of pertussis, as it is not differentiated from its stronger variety. Also, a lot of those cases of “pertussis” are from within the “vaccinated” population.
Horrible diseases must be allowed to run rampant because Freedom.
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What is going on at Faux News? First they apologize for the Muslim No-Go reporting… and now a science-based discussion touting a federal mandate for vaccinations? Have the magnet poles swapped?
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Gotta have the dip-tet.
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Forcing a medical procedure on me or my children sounds a bit totalitarian. How about if a majority of doctors decide that everyone should be drug tested before they can start their car in the morning?
No, it’s not. But imagine a world without a pertussis vaccine and I would prefer myself and my children not to live in that world. Just because something isn’t 100% effective isn’t a reason not to use it. The people for whom it doesn’t work are those who need everyone else to get the vaccine and their boosters. The vaccine has saved and does save lives, particularly among young children.
With millions more Americans finally having healthcare, more will finally get the boosters than ever and herd immunity will have a better chance across the board.
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