Discussion: DeVos To End Obama Admin's Rules For Investigating Campus Sexual Assault

DeVos makes clear that “acts of sexual misconduct are reprehensible, disgusting, and unacceptable.”

But hey, there’s good people on both sides. /s

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“Instead of working with schools on behalf of students, the prior
administration weaponized the Office for Civil Rights to work against
schools and against students.”

Of all the vomit to ever flow out of her face, this is the worst yet. Weaponize Civil Rights? Did she get that line from her brother–the war criminal that founded Blackwater?

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So if you want to accuse a fellow student of rape, you go to the police. Sounds normal. Sounds like due process. Sounds like you may be required to provide evidence and not just cry alot.

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You seem nice.

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Her remarks reek of partisan motives. How have Obama’s rules failed anyone? This is a reoccurring narrative “the previous administration’s failed policy” with no mention of how it failed and fixes that make things worse. What this billionaire is doing is making it easier for her rich friend’s sons to walk on rape allegations.

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It does seem that the existing rule has proved to be ill-thought-out. It often fails to provide victims of sexual assault with protection, and at the same time gives too little heed to the rights of the accused. Yet it is not at all clear that just remitting students to the criminal justice process will work. For one thing, while that process grinds on, the accused and accuser are still on the same campus, unless one of them (the accuser, most often, but not always) “chooses” to leave. For another, we know too well that women who bring accusations of rape are often disbelieved and their cases investigated hardly at all, if that.

There needs to be a searching, detailed, careful and thoughtful considerations of the issues that campus sexual assault raises. Unfortunately, Betsy DeVos and her ideologically-driven department are not the people to do that.

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Actually, there do seem to be a number of cases in which the accused have been denied anything like due process. And there may be cases in which accusers have been shortchanged in ways that could be ascribed to existing policy–I am not expert in the matter enough to say for sure.

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The policy failed the young men who were falsely accused and kicked out of college. But I know, the feminist view is that an accusation is proof of guilt, and DeVos should not even talk to those men because they are rapists. News flash: An accusation is not proof of criminality. The police and the courts are equipped to investigate rape, college administrators are not. The only reason to keep this an issue for the educational institution is to get the desired result of punishment regardless of guilt.

It’s a bit deeper than that tough guy. In many cares the offense is a violation of institutional policy ( no police for that one ) or a crime for which there is “no proof” as in rape kit detectable evidence. The police have a terrible reputation for taking rape causally and not prosecuting because “he’s a good ole boy” or “boys will be boys”. There’s a reason 85 % of rape cases go unreported. If you want to know why…go look in a mirror.

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can you cite just ONE time that happened? Don’t drag that wing nut slop in here and throw it at me. Cite the shit or shut the fuck up. People can locked up for shit they didn’t do all the time. Some spend 30 years innocent but in the can. You want to change the murder laws too?

Show me one falsely kid that was booted…and that’s all he got. If he was he’s a millionaire now.

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There are not enough cases of that ( 2 to 10 % of all rape cases) to make rape easier to get away with to avoid it. Why not make concessions on all crimes? The point is not enough of it to “balance” the rules. DeVoss is an out of touch billionaire ( by marriage ) that hasn’t a clue of what she speaks about. She is exactly what Trump claimed he was going to get rid of by “draining the swamp” of elitists.

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If hard pressed could Devos (Are We Not Men) recall the last she was in public without body guards?

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Please point to the part in the Obama guidelines that suggests that accused students should be kicked out of school without any investigation whatsoever.

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DeVos didn’t detail how the rules will change. Instead, she said she would seek feedback from the public and universities, and develop new rules.

Just like the Trump-GOP Repeal and Replace of the ACA…and every other policy of the Trump Administration. Grandiose announcements, ad hominem criticism of President Obama who at least had a good faith policy, which he implemented without any fucking cooperation from the McConnell-Freedom Caucus GOP Congress. The details…we dont have the details…we will tell you the details… we are going to consult with all the colleges…yeah…Believe Me…this issue is more complex than we thought…we are still working on it…but the Obama Policy was awful…just awful…we are a Finely Tuned Policy Machine…

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In her speech, DeVos described “increasingly elaborate and confusing guidelines” that have harmed students on both sides of the debate.

DeVos has proposed new guidelines based on the fundamental principle that, “when you’re a star, you can do anything.”

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You outed yourself there, asshole.

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And your figures come from where? Even if they are right, the motto of our justice system is “better that 50 guilty people walk free than that one innocent person is convicted.” Putting a thumb on the scales of justice is never a good idea.