Discussion for article #237681
Um…even if they’re, y’know, inked into someone’s skin? Wouldn’t that be considered assault?
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After the “ice bucket challenge”, maybe this could be the next challenge. That would certainly make a statement.
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Just as Dylan Roof did not achieve his goal of starting a war or progressing along the hate movement, burning the symbol of that hate will not stop it but will have the reverse affect.
If the racists can’t see the wrong in walking into that church and murdering all of those innocent people, they are most likely hopeless.
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“There is no need to respect a symbol that is as evil and vicious to African Americans as the Nazi swastika flag is to Jews. In fact, it is important to actively disrespect the banner that represents a pure form of human evil”
Damn right. Burn away, fellow citizens.
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It’s not about persuading racists. It’s about further delegitimizing a (barely coded) symbol of racial hatred. Somebody who flies the Confederate flag, after the past 150 years of USA history, is like somebody flying a swastika flag, even if they “don’t mean it that way.” Such people should be shamed, even if their opinions aren’t swayed.
I agree with the Free Press.
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It would be gratifying for now to Haley to take the small step of taking down the flag at the statehouse, even if the only ones who seem to matter to her, CEO’s, aren’t offended by its presence. The African-American community which is right now in mourning for their friends and family who were killed, are being disrespected by her and her lack of sensitivity. Maybe they have more forgiveness in their hearts than we who are looking in.
I spent a lot of my days on the phones with CEOs and recruiting jobs to this state. I can honestly say I have not had one conversation with a single CEO about the Confederate flag,"
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To go full Godwin, a lot of CEOs were unbothered by the rise of Hitler as well, Ms. Haley.
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This is what the Confederate flag represents and why it belongs in the trash bin. Here are the words of the founders who gave birth to the Confederacy and it’s flag. Excerpts from the Cornerstone speech:
I was remarking that we are passing through one of the greatest revolutions in the annals of the world. Seven States have within the last three months thrown off an old government and formed a new. This revolution has been signally marked, up to this time, by the fact of its having been accomplished without the loss of a single drop of blood.
This new constitution. or form of government, constitutes the subject to which your attention will be partly invited. In reference to it, I make this first general remark: it amply secures all our ancient rights, franchises, and liberties. All the great principles of Magna Charta are retained in it. No citizen is deprived of life, liberty, or property, but by the judgment of his peers under the laws of the land. The great principle of religious liberty, which was the honor and pride of the old constitution, is still maintained and secured.
The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition. Our system commits no such violation of nature’s laws. With us, all of the white race, however high or low, rich or poor, are equal in the eye of the law. Not so with the negro. Subordination is his place. He, by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system. The architect, in the construction of buildings, lays the foundation with the proper material-the granite; then comes the brick or the marble. The substratum of our society is made of the material fitted by nature for it, and by experience we know that it is best, not only for the superior, but for the inferior race, that it should be so. It is, indeed, in conformity with the ordinance of the Creator. It is not for us to inquire into the wisdom of his ordinances, or to question them. For his own purposes, he has made one race to differ from another, as he has made “one star to differ from another star in glory.”
Link to full document:
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech/
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Racists are shamed as far as I’m concerned. What is to like, what good is their hatred, how does murdering innocent people do anything for the community?
They hide in the shadows like the cowards that they are and attack unarmed, kind people. They are cowards, shameless, heartless cowards. No one is giving them respect or glorifying them except themselves. They know it’s unacceptable but their ignorance and meanness is the biggest part of them.
Do you really think that burning their beloved flag will change anything or that a group this evil would understand?
They call it southern pride but it’s just plain hate. Tell the haters in Pennsylvania that it’s a southern thing or Illinois or Michigan. It isn’t southern pride, that is just hateful people hiding what they are and lying to themselves. They fool no one.
How does pride in a region equate with mass murder of innocent people? No, they have southern pride and they are awful racists, they can be both and they are.
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It was some time within the last several years not sure when exactly, but I remember the Confederate Flag used to fly from the top of the statehouse dome in Charlestown. There was some scuttlebutt in the news then (and probably every few years) about the flag being offensive on that high perch and it should be removed. There was argument but compromise became to move the flag from the dome and put it somewhere else instead of doing away with it altogether. So they removed it from the top of the dome and put it where it flies today in front of the statehouse. A lot of folks down there found it quite funny that in moving the flag from the dome to the front of the statehouse put the flag “in everyone’s face” even more as it was so much closer and far more visible in it’s new location.
That’s just how they roll down there and that’s all you need to know about how hard this nuttiness is to crack. They just won’t let go.
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I think that the flag is merely something they wrap their racism in, and all this ''heritage" crap is just dressing for public consumption. To give credence to the “heritage” crap just allows the racist world view under that wrapping to be socially acceptable, at least in some circles.
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What I find interesting is that Germany, and the EU in general, have extremely strict laws banning the nazi flag. And, Nazi Germany was an actual government, albeit evil, but still one that was put into power by mostly legitimate means.
The Confederacy by comparison, was nothing more than a failed rebellion. Yet its flags are flown everywhere in the South, from Statehouses to car license plates.
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And I still say the same, would burning every last flag make a difference?
Who gives it credence other than the hateful racists themselves? Even the southerners that don’t go out and wave the flag still have the plantation mentality.
The flag is for the radicals but burning it won’t change what’s in their hearts.
The circles that accept the public display of that flag are not decent people that say to each his own, they are the people that are rooted in the race issue and aren’t about to give an inch, as wrong as it is, because of meanness and clinging on to what it is that they are comprised of.
Take away their southern thing and they are nothing.
Haley, how about some names of the CEO’s?
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Still celebrating getting their arses whipped and sent home in shame, 150 years later!
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BURN, BABY, BURN!!
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I can’t believe it but for once I agree with something Lindsey Graham said (shakes head) He said words to the effect “Let’s separate the issues of the confederate flag and the church shooting.”
I agree…(shudder). I don’t like Graham’s politics but he’s right on this one point.
SC will resist. They always resist…they were the leaders of the resistance that started the Civil War…and there is a reason that Confederate flag today is padlocked to a pole surrounded by a metal fence and secured with a padlock and with no mechanism for raising and lowering it, and law that mandates a 2/3rds vote of approval by both houses of the Legislature to remove it. And THAT was put in place after they moved the flag from the roof of the capitol to a nearby spot.
The south has been “resisting” confronting the War, its consequences and its outcomes ever since it ended, and any attempt to get SC to give up its flag is seen as just another attempt to “pry this proud symbol from our hands and disparage the brave men who fought for the Cause.”
It will not go well.
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