Discussion: David Axelrod Dings Hillary Clinton For Iraq War

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“Throws shade at”?

I know I’m not one of the new young hip-hop cats but am I supposed to recognize that?

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Steeziest headline evah.

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Sounds like a hip/hop headline…

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People REALLY need to calm down about this. Hillary and Obama differed on how to respond in Syria. We already knew that. It’s part of the game for her to stake out her own ground as she (obviously) preps her own run for the White House.

This doesn’t mean that they’re enemies. It doesn’t mean the party is fracturing. It doesn’t mean Hillary is a dangerous neocon – she agrees with the great majority of Obama’s foreign policy, and has readily admitted that her vote in favor of the Iraq invasion was based on false information. (Kerry, who nobody is suggesting is an enemy of the President’s foreign policy, voted the same way for the same reasons.)

Nor does this mean that the entire political landscape has changed and that the youth vote now belongs to Rand Paul (little problems like his view that segregation should have been left to the states, or dismantling social security and medicare might just attract notice in a campaign).

The “whatever just happened is the most important thing that will ever happen” approach of today’s click-driven media should not delude everyone else. Take a longer view, people… don’t just fall for the overhyped “game changer of the day.”

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Hillary should be dinged for her vote, and her comments suggest she doesn’t really regret it. Also? I think the media is hyping this into something the original interview wasn’t. She said a lot more that provided context for the original remark, and that context makes clear that she wasn’t slamming Obama at all.

But “Hillary Clinton slams Obama” is just so much more sexy…

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More of an old person thing. Back in the 90s, before this newfangled Internets thing allowed right wingers to perpetuate lies in real time, they used to have to print them up in big books full of slander by former government officials who purported to have been inside the White House where they could see what awful, awful, awful people those Awful Clintons were.

A right wing specialty publisher called Regnary would churn them out, fake book clubs set up the VRWC would buy them them up by the shitton, sending the latest slanderous screed onto the NYT best sellers list, the slander would then migrate from the book into catty MoDo columns and the Fox News “Some People Say” list, then the “book clubs” would return all the unsold books to Regnary which was oddly unconcerned by the way its books consistently failed to show a profit once it refunded and remaindered them.

So, anyhoo, one of the most cherished tales from the scandal sheets by one low level former “insider” or another was this one time Hilllary threw a lamp at Bill’s head during an argument. Right there in the White House! Such awful, low class, people.

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Yes, thats right, ppl, “THROW SHADE.” Get with the times! lol

I wish Hillary Clinton would just take a break…a long break.

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How do I catch shade then?

This is all so confusing.

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Don’t be throwing shade, bra. That’s harsh.

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Context?!? We don’t need no stinkin’ context!!!

As I said above, this is part of the media’s desperate need to manufacture stories, and the “whatever just happened is the only thing that will ever matter” mentality of the “must write a big story every two hours” punditry.

What annoys me most is the “dovish Rand Paul just sewed up the presidency!” meme. But hey, gotta drive them clicks.

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Poor HRC, she really can’t help it like so many on our crowded, limelit national stage (not crowded because of all the fresh new faces but because so few of the old faces ever leave). It’s like a toss away line in today’s installment of the David Gregory saga, something to the effect, ‘he cut his Martha’s Vineyard vacation short’. Martha’s Vineyard, huh? Gee, that sounds familiar…where have I heard that before (#sarcasm)?
Between Dave and Tweety the ferry must have been dangerously overloaded…
Anyhoo, it ain’t the Vineyard but their bubble…Presidents like good Lamas are contented beggers not miserable rich men.

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I go to Urban Dictionary more than Merriam Webster these days.

Throw Shade
to talk trash about a friend or acquaintance, to publicly denounce or disrespect. When throwing shade it’s immediately obvious to onlookers that the thrower, and not the thrower, is the bitchy, uncool one

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The Os and the Clintons are vacationing together on Martha’s Vineyard, it’ll be the neverending Thanksgiving with the crazy uncle and sister-in-law everyone endures.

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It is quite clear that if we had not invaded Iraq, we would not be facing the situation with ISIS in Iraq and Syria today.

I am one who did not support Hillary Clinton in the primaries precisely because of her vote for the Iraq invasion. Had she been the eventual Democratic nominee, I would have voted for her.

Now, however, I am finding that it may again be difficult to support her in the Democratic primaries if someone comes along who is a viable alternative (e.g., Elizabeth Warren).

Hillary did not accomplish much as Secretary of State. I have thought this may in part have been due to a poor relationship with Obama; that is, it may not have been entirely her fault. But this just looks like political opportunism and it may be damaging to the prospects for 2016 as well.

I will add that I believe the strategy Al Gore used of distancing himself from Bill Clinton during the 2000 election was a disaster. Had he ignored the bad behavior and just aligned himself politically with Clinton, he would probably have won and the planet would be a better, happier and safer place.

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Biden/Warren2016

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LOL Wow. No, “throw shade” is not a hip hop term. It’s one that came from the gay community. It basically means “to subtly (though not always) insult”.

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I prefer Tennessee’s ‘mean-mugging’ (or does the Commonwealth get credit?)…

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I too did not support HRC because of her vote for the war (and because she also supported the Bush Brain’s No Child Left Behind bogus reforms; Obama at the time opposed them then flip flopped once elected). She did not stand up to Bush when it counted.

I am trying to like her, as she will be the nominee. But I think will just have to lower my expectations. It is vital that a Democrat wins in 2016 to save the Supreme Court and hold off the Right Wing GOP. She will do right by Demos on most causes but likely fall short of being a real Progressive game-changer.

The main saving grace is she might be better at swatting down the Wackos in Congress while Obama naively clung to the idea he could somehow bring the parties together in bipartisan harmony due to force of personality alone,

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Biden’s an awfully slippery character, in my opinion.

Elizabeth Warren is the real deal, or at least that’s the way I see it.

I just don’t know if she would be willing to run.

I think she just might be able to win – precisely because she is absolutely sincere. And what a debater. She has such a clear idea of what she believes that she doesn’t suffer from the problem most politicians have of needing to check their replies against a laundry list of do’s and don’ts.

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