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Iowa right wingers hate government, except the part that pays them their subsidies.
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“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.” Galatians 6:7 Republican’t b!tches.
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Trump - The rubes are just going to see a TeeVee star in person. That’s it.
Cruz - Bogged down in a jug of maple syrup, compounds the joke by bringing noted birther Steve King into his campaign.
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But wait. one of the whitest states, 93%, is the most xenophobic!
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So is the establishment of the GOP gonna just let Trump destroy their party?
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So is the establishment of the GOP gonna just let Trump destroy their party?
They’re resigning themselves to the fact that they can’t stop him. They’re about to be eaten by a monster of their own creation. It’s called Karma.
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Well, seeing they (RepubliCANTs) were so interested in expanding their party with folks who cherish their values and they welcomed the tea party folks into their party in 2010. But the RepubliCANTs were just too damn dumb to realize that the tea partiers really hated the GoP establishment and that their (tea party) ultimate goal was to tear the GoP party apart!.
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Neither is the Republican Party, evidently.
Bad news for the conservative movement. Ouch!
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It might be interesting if Cruz wins the nomination. The talk for several cycles now has been that the GOP lost the race because they didn’t nominate a true conservative. Cruz is a true conservative, although if they lost with him there would be a different story line about how he wasn’t conservative enough. On the other hand, if he actually won the election, he would probably destroy conservatism as a philosophy. Unfortunately, he might destroy the country in the process.
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If they recognize that Donald Trump and Ted Cruz are bad, why don’t they endorse Hillary Clinton?
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“Establishment conservatives” still think they can ride the tiger. Two things are going to happen: Cruz & Trump are going to come out on top. Neither will accept VP post from the other. Neither is electable in the general. Each will continue their own particular styles of attack against the other. Each’s partisans will become increasingly agitated, increasingly apocalyptic, and increasingly unwilling to support whoever the “establishment conservatives” arbitrarily decide is “electable” (who they gonna get? Marco-Mark? Jeb?!? Kasich the Schlumpf?). Those fuckers think they can ride the tiger, but they are headed toward a fiasco of a convention, possibly a floor fight, and a party shattered for a generation.
Awful lot of “consultants” are going to find themselves out of work and with damaged brands on Nov 5. They still think it’s the 90s. Social media and Citizens United have permanently changed the game.
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The story line will be that Trump damaged the republican too much for Cruz to rise above it. It won’t be conservatives fault, it will be Trump’s, who is clearly not a conservative and just goes to show what lengths people will go to to keep conservatives down.
I increasingly think Cruz will be the nominee. He is well funded and is running by far the smartest campaign out of anyone running. But perhaps just as importantly, while the Establishment doesn’t like Cruz, he does at the end of the day, have a conservative philosophy that goes beyond him. The GOP can at least continue issues that extend beyond the campaign.
Trump on the other hand, has nothing besides a destined to be broken promise to build a wall. No tax policy, no unifying governing philosophy…nothing. His campaign is purely about Trump. And no party can survive with that.
Just think it through…4 or 8 years of Trump…there is no issue that the GOP in Congress or at the state level that they could successfully run on…because Trump would be ricocheting all over the place on nearly a daily level. For taxing the rich; against taxing the rich. For abortion; against abortion. It quite literally comes down to what one man feels like that morning. The party activists and intelligenstia simply cannot survive in such a climate…and when they are gone, so is the party.
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I’ve said a lot about a floor fight in past posts. And while I think its more likely this year than most, I have to say I don’t think its likely to actually happen.
A lot depends upon when the Establishment rallies around a single candidate, and where such a candidate polls behind Cruz and Trump. I see it very likely that they consolidate much too late, and that the Establishment candidate is a very distant third to the two front runners. They won’t be close enough to try and push a floor fight for their candidate upon an electorate that will be decidedly anti Establishment. So instead they will pick the candidate they see the best hope of working with going forward…the lesser of two evils. And I suspect, that will be Cruz.
I also think there is a pretty good chance that Cruz wins Iowa, and gets enough of a bounce heading into NH that he wins or has a squeaker with Trump. Two losses/near losses like that to Trump, given how far behind the curve he is with a ground game, and he fades away in the remaining states. Angry, petulant? Of course…but it won’t matter as he continues to lose delegates to Cruz.
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I agree that Cruz is the likelier of the two. I wouldn’t underestimate how much damage Trump can do as his lead slips, though–he’s a vengeful fucker. Moreover, I think the Clinton machine has a very sound ability to troll Trump, keep him active, keep him attacking.
Question is, will Trump supporters rally behind Cruz? I suspect that a large percentage of them will just stay home. They don’t all fit the traditional “conservative/activist/Tea Party” profile, that’s for sure.
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I suspect a significant number of them stay home for Trump. He is counting heavily upon people who are just not active in politics and have poor to no voting records. And with little to no ground game, those people are not going to show up at the polls for anybody…even Trump.
As far as people who actually are politically active enough to vote, I think changing candidates to Cruz is a pretty simple justification. They won’t shift to Rubio or Bush instead…which is the real problem that Establishment is facing. Yes, if they could magically rally behind one candidate, that candidate would beat both Trump and Cruz. But that candidate won’t beat a combined force of Trump and Cruz voters. The aggregate of Establishment voters is between 35-45%…well short of a majority. If somehow they do get a candidate in a floor fight…the anti-Establishment will be out for blood…probably quite literally. Think Chicago in '68…with the rioting going on INSIDE the convention center.
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Maybe the best strategy of the Democrats is to round up everyone who has ever had personal contact with Cruz…and make them operatives.
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Agree all.
Yes, especially those Iowa farmer’s. Without out those subsidies they couldn’t drive around in their cadillacs!!
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This is crazy. David Duke is virtually in the middle of today’s Republican Party. I await his Presidential run in 4 years.
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