Iâm a bit confused about what is controversial in this matter. Politics IS collusion. A thousand byzantine alliances, with good and bad actors conspiring to achieve some goal. WTF?
Iâm not sure âcollusionâ was the right word to use. Candidates are prohibited by law from âcoordinatingâ with SuperPACs. I have no doubt this strategy is being very well coordinated.
The schadenfreude is delicious. Remember in the fall when Cruz kept saying Trump was a great guy?
Candidate coordination with a SuperPac is inevitable in some instances, in a manner no agency or law enforcement entity is able to intervene and assert malfeasance. If Kasich announced he was withdrawing from the race, and a SuperPac that heretofore was spending money on his behalf ceased to do so, has he coordinated with that Pac in their cessation of activities? I think not, nor would attempts to lodge such a charge make sense or gain much traction. Similarly, if Cruz and Kasich jointly announce the scheme they have here, can resulting action by independent SuperPacs supporting each campaign, or the candidates themselves, be said to be coordinating with the other when the Pacs change spending plans based on the candidatesâ announced strategy and tactics? The Pacs are merely reacting to public pronouncements. Is that coordination?
I am not a lawyer. But it is seems that what Lyinâ Ted and Lehman Kasich are trying to do does not pass the smell test.
It appears like this is a Kafkaesque conspiracy by Kasich and Cruz to seize the Republican nomination despite losing the primaries by subverting the process.
I think that Trumpâs choice of word rigging is appropriate.
If 42 Senators collude to stop a bill that 58 Senators wish to pass have they colluded to thwart the will of the majority? Rigged the process?
Typical outsider: Working the system he knows so well.
Tedâs just trying to be friendly with everyone and maybe keep his options open.
Typical Canadian.
What it really does is fly in the face of the GOP mantra that hates on Unions, ACA, Acorn, etc⌠âINDIVIDUALISM!!!â âSUCCEED ON YOUR OWN!!â âWE DONâT NEED OTHER PEOPLE TO HELP US!!â
Bullshit.
The Texas senator said the Trump campaign was âscaredâ by the announcement that he and Kasich were banding together in several key primary states in an unprecedented âstop Trumpâ effort. Cruz was honing in on Indiana while ceding New Mexico and Oregon to Kasich.
Had to look again, but barring substantial hiccups from Trump, this alliance still doesnât work (and yes Indiana, Oregon and by default New Mexico were excluded)
Good luck though Ted and John
Cruz is such a weasel. Everytime someone calls him on his weaseliness he starts calling Trump names and diverts the question to a shot at Trump.
Even though he has the most punchable face in politics, if I got the chance, I would rather puke on him.
and it still doesnât work, because the primaries are currently in Trump country.
I thought so too, but even that area is now cloudy.
Maybe they are doing something similar to the âinternet exemptionâ that Clinton uses to coordinate with her superpacs.
âHis response is to attack the votersââŚfrom the man that blew any chance in NY by insulting the New Yorker.
So basically Cruz & Kasich conspire to strategically âtake divesâ to strategically benefit each other and to harm Trump ⌠on what planet is this NOT âcollusionâ?
On what planet do Machiavellian schemes by politicians elicit shock, condemnation and questioning of the propriety and morality of their design and purpose? This is what politicians do. Itâs politics.
Can you believe that dog over there barked?
@steviedee111:
No.
If it is not collusion legally, it certainly has that appearance to those who support Trump. Either wayâŚTrump won again. Trump doesnât have to prove anything other than the system is rigged (his supporters believe that to their core). The GOP race is ONLY about perceptionsâŚbecause heaven knows there isnât a policy stance anywhere to be found between these two.
yes, in the Machiavellian world of politics, there would seem to be no âout of boundsâ - - except that the Machiavellian politician does transgress the bounds of the GOP votersâ sensibilities at their own peril - will there be repercussions? maybe ⌠maybe not ⌠but regardless of the impact, it is clearly and literally a âcollusionâ -