Discussion for article #243592
So, the Taliban destroys 2,000 year old Buddhist artifacts and they’re extremists, while Lyman and Wells go after 2,000 year old Indian artifacts and archaeology and what, they’re patriots? WTF?
I love how these bastards try and come across as fighting against the federal government, when all they’re really trying to do is get a free handout. At least welfare recipients have the need of poverty. What’s Lyman’s issue, GTA5 not get released on time to keep him from getting bored?
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He should have worn a rubber.
Yeah, a year sounds good.
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More importantly I think judges should forbid monetary gains from future ventures based on the commission of crimes by these crackpots. This guy might have little prospect of a book deal, a movie, speaking tours, television appearance fees, etc. But many of his ilk are convicted felons and serve jail time. They then parlay their crimes into lucrative Right Wing business enterprises. That is a business model I’d like stopped, more so than hoping they sit in a minimum security country club for 12 months.
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I normally don’t support prison for property crimes but I’ll make an exception in this case. What an execrable human being. He’s not a kid making a mistake. Throw his ass in jail and ruin his future chances for employment.
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I hope that everyone who believes that the 2d amendment gives them the right to defy the government is paying attention. It really is amazing that anyone believes that a government would set up with a right to destroy it contained in the set-up, but they seem to and I really wish they’d all try it and see what happens next.
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He says he “Made a mistake”? BS! The only reason for keeping this guy out of jail is to keep from inciting his Constitutional, sovereign citizen buddies to return to the area with their AR 15s to damage more land and take potshots at BLM employees and volunteer site stewards. Government in most western states is organized so that it’s possible for a rural minority to ride (their ATVs) roughshod over the interests of the majority.
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The Ballad of Welfare Cowboy Cliven Bundy Continues:
┏ ┛♪┗ (･o･) ┓♪Oh give me a home
Next to land I don’t own.
Where dumbass
Milita thugs play.
Where Baggers adore
My calls for Range War!
Over grazing fees
I just will not pay.
Home, home…I’m derranged!
I ignore what the federal courts say.
We’ll make our own rules
And act like d*mned fools,
While my cows
Destroy history all day! ____ Home, Home…We’re derranged…┏ ┛♪┗ (･o･ ) ┓♪
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you wanted to act like a DICK now your being treated like being a DICK is suppose to be treated
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Let’s not forget Tim DeChristopher. DeChristopher served 21 months in Federal prison for his act of civil disobedience of bidding on BLM oil and gas leases (in Utah), disrupting a federal auction.
Lyman’s act of civil disobedience was done by him under color of elected authority and clearly was a far more egregious act. He needs to accept the consequences (that is, after all a part of civil disobedience) and the court needs to show that ancient antiquities matter as much (or more) than dubious oil leases.
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Fines are meaningless and will be paid by his fellow-travelers.
Only jail time will send the necessary message to these would-be anarchist that we live by the rule of law in this country and the BLM has authority over this land that must be obeyed. Probation and fines paid by others will only encourage this nonsense.
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Speaking of Bundy, did he ever pay his grazing fees?
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As of March of this year: NO ___ and he flaunts the fact that he hasn’t!
[Bundy was, and still is, breaking federal law, which states that BLM controls where ranchers can and cannot graze on public land it manages.
By all accounts, Bundy still has not been charged for the trespassing cattle or the unpaid fines.
Every day that passes without a federal government move to prosecute
Bundy is a day that he and his followers are emboldened. “We have not
been bothered by nor have we even seen a US government licensed vehicle
of any kind on the Bundy Ranch or the northeast portion of Clark
County,” Bundy said in his email, referring to the last 11 months.
“Cattle prices are good and green grass is growing!”]
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Several Utah officials have supported Lyman’s stance. State lawmakers
publicly threw down wads of cash to help pay for his legal defense. The
Utah Association of Counties named him county commissioner of the year,
saying Lyman is committed to standing for something his colleagues
believe in.
And that is why prosecutors are looking for jail time.
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“Mister Manson now realizes he should have made it clear to his followers that his exhortations were purely metaphorical. His actions have already resulted in far more drastic punishment than he ever imagined.”
Even his lawyers can’t get far enough to imply that he understands what he was doing was wrong.
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No and not punished either. I think they’re waiting for an opportune moment…
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Look, this seditionist fuck needs to go to jail for a year or more. He needs that quiet time to contemplate his “mistake.”
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After Nov. 2016.
I don’t understand what’s happening here. Jail time? For a Republican? A white, affluent Republican? It’s like I’m hearing noises that sound like words in English but they don’t make sense.
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