Discussion: Conservatives Have Their Own Concerns About A Speaker Paul Ryan

In view of recent events, it is evident that this goes beyond the various personalities involved to real structural issues with how the House runs itself. The Constitutional specification of a Speaker seems likely to have envisioned a largely ceremonial role, like the Speaker in Parliament. Lately, they have taken it upon themselves to over-ride the will of the majority of members in favor of kowtowing to factions.

The Speaker should have no power to block votes. Each leader should designate legislation in order of priority and they should alternate in bringing bills up for consideration. Those that get 218, pass, those that don’t die. That simple. If a party can’t get together and agree on priorities, their turn is skipped. It should not be the Speaker’s role to protect members from taking tough votes. That’s what they are there for.

Nihilists only like Nihilists. Until the GOP gets a Nihilist in the Speakers seat…they won’t be happy. The same goes for the GOP nominee.

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Ryan harbors designs on the Presidency. This would expose his poor leadership skills and ruin those designs. The emperor (Ryan) has no clothes (leadership skills).

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Everyone here is 100% on the money. Of course we are: when Paul Ryan is considered to be too much of a RINO, man, you’re WAY too far down the rabbit hole to be saved.

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Another thing worth noting, I think, is that Standard and Poor’s is watching this fiasco very closely. Look for another downgrade of the U.S. credit rating very, very soon.

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QE was a Fed program, not one voted on by Congress. TARP was right to save the banks. The mistake was saving the bankers. The Treasury should have voted the shares they acquired against management. And prosecuted where possible.

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Made it, Ma! Top of the world!
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Is anyone sold that this alleged “Boy Genius” would be good for anything more complicated than holding a door open?

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Tea Potty Caucus: “Sure, Ryan’s batshitcrazy, but he’s NOT batshitcrazy enough for US! BooYah!”

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I am going to stand by my earlier guess for now. If the GOP refuses or is unable to raise the debt ceiling, Obama is going to claim the 14th Amendment gives him the power to keep making loan payments, and blow right through it and let the Court sort it out. He wants this off the table for future Presidents, and to put the credit agencies to rest on the matter. The US WILL make good on its debts. Full Stop.

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As The MockCaucus Whines…

DC reality TV on A&E…

Agreed. Further, Obama won’t have ANYONE to negotiate WITH. Republicans are playing checkers. That Mooslam from Kinya plays chess. Plus, he knows crodi and jew jit sue.

Absolutely, This is the “don’t give a sh!t” Obama, unlike last time. And the Court will not touch the case. Can you imagine them ordering the US to default on their debts? I really can’t. They would say the remedy for Congress is impeachment, which with a year left in Obama’s term would be pointless (though some would want to try). Even an impeachment would still mean the debts get paid.

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Even Paul Ryan is smart enough to recognize that leading the republicans is a dead-end no win situation.

I actually think the Supreme Court would rule in his favor, even given its current make up. I suspect they will say that the 14th Amendment means that we have to pay our debts (it does,there is no question about that), and that Congress’s power of the purse derives from their control over appropriations and taxes, not in a refusal to make good on our debts.

If the think we are spending too much, don’t approve as much. If they think we need more revenue, raise taxes. Or some combination of the two. But insisting upon violating the 14th Amendment isn’t one of their options.

My guess is that is where Roberts and Alito, both corporate attorneys, would go, and I think its where Scalia (which also means Thomas) would go. Because as much as they may dislike (even hate) Obama in the White House, they realize that ruling otherwise gives Democrats the same weapon.

So I could easily see them not only agreeing with the President, I could see a 9-0 ruling.

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I’ve got passionate please that TPM pleas fire spellcheck and hire an editor.

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Pass the popcorn, as they’re never going to please the whole party caucus. Some of them want elimination of corporate taxes, imprisonment of abortionists, death to Muslims, Christianity as the national religion, abolishment of ACA and Social Security and public schools, etc. - while some others are almost sane.
It’s a broad spectrum of insanity they have, and it’s going to be fun watching them demand it all.

He would be a fool to try to herd these flea bags of the right wing…It is a career destroyer!

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You might be right. I think more likely they would decline the case as a political question, which would mean the President’s actions would stand, so the result is the same.