Discussion: Congress Weighs Rescue Package For O'Care As Trump Admin Hacks Away At Market

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Clean up in aisle five. What a preventable and unnecessary mess they’ve made.

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House Republicans, hoping to avoid this health market chaos ahead of the 2018 midterm elections, are reportedly exploring a budget gimmick that would allow them to fund ACA stabilization policies without making a dent in the government’s official balance sheet.

First try to repeal ACA sixty-odd times, then when it appears the public actually likes the program, try to correct some of the damage THEY wrought, on the cheap and the down-low.

They were against it until they were for it - in an attempt to save some of their sorry asses from ouster at the ballot box. Snivelling, pathetic, duplicitous motherfuckers.

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and don’t get us started about GUNZ
Those kids are going to be the difference this time round

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House Republicans, hoping to avoid this health market chaos ahead of the 2018 midterm elections, are reportedly exploring a budget gimmick that would allow them to fund ACA stabilization policies…

Are you fucking kidding me? What ever happened to Repeal and Replace?

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“Red” meat is RAW (uncooked) meat in its natural setting.

In a political setting, “red meat” represents “raw,” unpolished, and highly partisan ideas. The speaker doesn’t even make a pretense of trying to be polished or civil. S/he just wants to stir up the audience by appealing to their rawest emotions using the crudest constructions.

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it’s so easy…

30: to :55 or so

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[quote=“jmacaz, post:5, topic:69226”]
Are you fucking kidding me? What ever happened to Repeal and Replace?
[/quote]Or repealing it “root and branch” (McConnell) and replacing it with “something better and cheaper. It’ll be beautiful. It’s so easy. You’ll love it, believe me” (yeah, him).

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Just more proof these people don’t know what they’re doing. They never had a clue when they went through the useless exercise of repealing the ACA knowing Obama would veto it - they never had a viable, credible substitute, and now I guess they’re just going to do things with no idea of the consequences. Apparently, as long as what they do weakens the ACA, negatively impacts millions of people, raises costs and has millions losing coverage, the GOP and Trump consider it a win.

Trump was right: I am so tired of all this winning /s

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Seems to me the “give-away” to the insurance companies isn’t these subsidies but, rather, allowing them to write and sell these bare-bones policies. The money they will save in payouts (in those states that allow these policies) and the money they earn through jacked-up premiums on Obamacare policies would probably far outweigh whatever subsidies they’d get through the government.

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Because changing policy every six months is a perfect recipe for stability in a market that works on a yearly basis. And all those folks who have signed up already, or missed this year’s enrollment period will … what?

Also: You just gave away $1.5 trillion to rich people, and now you’re quibbling over a couple billion dollars in accounting baseline? You, and all your horses.

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Yeah, you keep fucking that chicken, Sue. Because I’m sure the House will get right on it and Trump will sign it.

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It turned out very few people knew that health insurance was a complicated thing. Little Donnie quickly got tired of playing with his Junior Insurance Expert kit and left it lying in the playroom for the maid to clean up.

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This comparison does a disservice to all the perfectly respectable motherfuckers out there.

You really need to stop pulling your punches.

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But, but, what about his promise to replace it with something much better and cheaper? It was going to be so easy!

Never mind. In the minds of the 33% Tox News crowd, that’s already happened and Real Working (white) Americans already have awesome insurance thanks to him. Spontaneous demonstrations of approval broke out across the nation to celebrate his brilliance which the Fake News refused to cover.

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This is why some Republicans are softening on defending the ACA: The Republicans know they are on the fringe of not only losing the House and Senate, but also losing control as the Democrats may have enough wins to inoculate the party from the Republican cancer that has infected the party during the Clinton and Obama years like Joe Manchin and others who do NOT support single payer healthcare and who do not support the DACA citizens and who do not support banning assault weapons and hand guns.

The Red state Democrats need to leave and join the fascist Republicans…the north doesn’t want to live like Mississippi or Alabama or Texas.

One piece that needs fixing that gets little press is that lots of high-deductible ACA compliant plans are no longer HSA eligible. This is bad and it turns it to be a structural mistake, fixable by a functional government. Here are the details, if you care.

To be HSA-eligible, plans must meet certain specific criteria that the deductible must be above a certain amount and the out-of-pocket maximum must be under a certain amount.

The first year they had them, this OOP maximum was the same as the law under the ACA that all health plans must meet. But the 2 numbers were indexed to different inflation metrics: the HSA max to CPI inflation, and the ACA max to medical inflation (which is higher). The result is that plans that use the higher ACA OOP maximum figure are no longer eligible for an HSA, the plan has to be specifically tailored to have the lower OOP max.

It’s just one of those things that was a mistake/fell through the cracks but it appears nobody in congress can agree on even a simple fix to align the 2 numbers so more of us could use HSAs. Ah well.

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This GOP Congress doesn’t come through for anyone but the filthy rich and Russians.

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I hope the Democrats are learning the lesson, here. Next time you’ve got both houses of Congress and the White House, kill the filibuster, and pass single-payer, universal health care. Once that’s in place, there will be no going back - it will quickly become too entrenched to unwind. Anything short of that will be subjected to a repeat of this shameful performance.

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