Discussion: Confederate Flag Defenders Push Back At Removing It From SC Capitol Grounds

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If it was an unnecessary war, then the South should have not fired the first shots.

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Hey Sons of Confederate Veterans, getting rid of that despicable flag is just a start. Next up, getting rid of Confederate Memorial Day, or worse “Confederate Hero’s Day” in Texas.

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As commander of the newly formed “Sons of Santa Anna Veterans,” (I even have a new little cap), I am calling for the mobilization of other descendants to help defend the flying of the Mexican flag over former Mexican territories taken in the War of Gringo Aggression.

Seems fair enough.

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So now we’ve moved from guns don’t kill, people do, to flags don’t kill, people with guns do. Too bad these people can’t connect the dots.

I’m on vacation out West. Most people I know were not aware SC still flies the Confederate flag on the grounds of the Statehouse. The country is now aware. It took a terrible racist shooting to make the country aware. I’m hopeful this flag, which makes me cringe whenever I look at it, will be gone soon. But, those that love the flag and its racist representation won’t give it up easily. I’m hopefully optimistic, but wouldn’t be surprised if the General Assembly can’t get the 2/3rd’s vote needed to remove it. If that happens the issue will die, and the shooting will fade to the background while some other atrocity makes news. If Sandyhook taught us anything, it’s that the most terrible crimes can’t bring about common sense change because the fanatics come in force to protect the ideas that make no sense to the rest of us. We are held hostage by them.

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When I first came to SC in 2000, Memorial Day wasn’t a school holiday (neither was MLK Day). I was told the state wouldn’t recognize Memorial Day unless Confederate Memorial Day was also recognized. They did lose on that issue and a few years later Memorial Day and MLK Day became official holidays. Veteran’s Day still isn’t observed in SC. I will tell you, that while a beautiful state, it is one of the most backwards.

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Dear SCV, Your concern has been noted. Now sit down and shut up. Your time has passed.

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“For one hundred and fifty years, Southerners have been maligned by the victors of an unnecessary war."

Uh, what? How about, for 150 years the unrepentant treasonous traitors who started a war against the United States have refused to acknowledge their loss.

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One cannot help but wonder why a war fought 150 years ago over the right to own other people as pets still resonates so deeply with some people.

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Neo-Confederate Group : “Our heritage is under serious attack.”

Serious attack?

I somehow missed that story where a guy opened fire at a Sons of Confederate Veterans meeting, reloaded his .45 five time, eventually ran out of bullets, and killed nine of their members.

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Like turning on lights and watching cockroaches scurry.
This is hilarity!

jw1

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I have often wondered the same. They prefer to believe the war was fought over something other than slavery. I’ve heard that sentiment plenty of times.

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Actually, I have a feeling that this and the other racist organizations that support the Confederate Swastika will win, and the flag will remain, and actually I hope they do, because I want this hung around EVERY Teabagger-lovin’ Republican during the 2016 election. The only reason ANY of these miscreant motherfuckers have called for the removal of the flag is political expediency, not because of any revulsion towards the racist aspects of this despicable symbol of a shameful past. Let’s see them condemn the flag when their Teabagger moron base scream that they want them to defend it. I want to see all of those closet racists SQUIRM!

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It’s wrong and it’s tragic that they’re taking something that happened in South Carolina – a tragedy – and people are trying to make political statements.”

Yeah, like that has NEVER happened before.

  1. 9/11

  2. The Boston Marathon Bombing

  3. Jessica’s Law

  4. The Terry Schiavo Case

  5. The 23 Dead Amercans on Malasian airlines who didn’t exist.

And those are right off the top of my head.

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commander in chief of the national Sons of Confederate Veterans

For one hundred and fifty years, Southerners have been maligned by the victors of an unnecessary war. In recent years some headway has been made in educating our fellow countrymen as to the true facts of our shared history

I think he’s answering his own question. He fashions himself from a militaristic viewpoint, claims victim’s rights for something that happened 150 YEARS AGO, refuses to acknowledge the responsibility for the actions taken by said ancestors, and is still trying to whitewash the factual basis for the conflict.

He’s become the reason why the symbols can’t remain tied to modern governance and should only be a historical reference. He wants to live the past, not honor it.

Oh hell, then I read this wingnuts full Facebook post, where he quotes Jefferson Davis at the end, fully endorsing the war he led the South into and how knowing what he knows in the end would do it all over again. Yeah, burn the fucking flag whereever it flies, these wingnuts need to figure out their loyalties.

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That’s the problem, though. The leaders of the Confederacy weren’t treated like the traitors that they were. In the hopes of reconciliation, the government let the leaders go instead of either jailing them for life (or what should have been done, given them the penalty for treason…death by hanging or firing squad).

This is the one reason why there are still people like this group that still cling to the belief that 'The South will rise again!" They believe that if it ever comes to committing treason again, they won’t be held accountable for taking up arms against the legally elected government.

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“[A]n unnecessary war” – that was a stunning statement. What can that possibly mean other than “If only you’d just let us keep our slaves, we could have avoided all that unpleasantness”? This episode may finally, finally serve to expose these racist nuts for what they are to even the least aware, and maybe – dare we hope – expose the romance of the South, the myth of the noble “lost cause,” for what it is to even the most obtuse.

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Those who are still waging this War are providing a very large percentage of the Republican Party’s voting bloc.

The Republican Party will do whatever it can to placate, satisfy and cater to these individuals.

I believe that the latter group, although outnumbered by the rest of us, makes up for its shortage in numbers with unadulterated zeal. Put another way, :“Rebs are more tuned in to the Fight than Yanks”.

And zeal WORKs.

In a metaphor of an imaginary country with 1,000,000 voters, 30% of whom are racist, 70% of whom are less so:

If 80% of the racists VOTE, that is 80% of 300,000= 240,000

                           that is vastly more than

30% of the less racist vote, that is 30% of 700,000= 210,000

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'Unnecessary war," cracked me up. Everytime and I mean EVERYTIME you tried to talk to the Crackers before the Civil War about getting rid of their ‘Peculiar Institution’ they would fight you like wild rats trapped in a shoebox. Now–150 years later–they are trying to transfer that pugnacious attitude to the Confederate flag.

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