Discussion: Comey Shines Spotlight On Fateful Valentine's Day Meeting With Trump

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I love how Trump calls the guy who testified on national TV against the President of the US…a coward.

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I knew I’d seen that face before. Bart had one.

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We’ve rarely had this much evidence already known to establish a case for obstruction of justice. We knew far less about what Nixon did until the end and what he did was not as obvious or blatant as Trump’s actions. The thing is, obstruction is the easiest for the public to understand but is actually the least of the issues in the #trumprussia scandal.

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Notice he doesn’t say Comey is lying. He just says he didn’t give Comey a direction to stop the Flynn investigation. If the President of the United States, the most powerful man in the world, says “I hope” this or that might happen to a subordinate with authority to make this or that happen, you aren’t stretching the truth to conclude the President was giving a direction.

“Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?” Personally I am not ready to elevate Comey to sainthood. He is not really Thomas Beckett.

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“There would be nothing wrong if I did say it, according to everybody that I read today, but I did not say that,”

My sense is that Mr. Trump has worked himself into a corner from which he will have great difficulty in extricating himself, especially since he has more of a tendency to bluster than acknowledge that he was wrong.

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"I am not a crook. And ever if I were, it would be all right because when the President does it it is not illegal.

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The question of whether the president engaged in obstruction of justice is open at this point, notwithstanding the ridiculous comments of Alan Dershowitz and others. There is certainly reason to investigate whether Trump acted with a corrupt purpose in urging–or in effect ordering–Comey and others to end the Flynn and Russia investigations. No reasonable prosecutor would ignore the evidence developed so far, or fail to to follow up. However, whether the president’s actions meet the legal definition of obstruction is somewhat beside the point, since what constitutes an impeachable offense is left to Congress to decide (and doesn’t have to amount to a crime), and a sitting president very likely can’t be prosecuted for a crime. The Special Counsel knows his business, and I think the president may have a very bad day when his report is filed. Until then, it’s best to reserve judgment.

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"I don’t believe any responsible prosecutor would bring an obstruction case.” Well, crap. We have heard that phrase before, from Jim Comey about Hillary’s emails.

I personally thought the latter matter was a tempest in a teapot and was glad to see it dismissed, but I think the former is a BFD and would love to see SCROTUS out of office ASAP. Naturally, I’m disappointed at this opinion. The question for me is whether I’ll play it consistently or bay for his big orange head.

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I’d like to see a Comey vs. Trump fight to the death via pay per view. Trump would not last 10 seconds in a real brawl. He’s all bark, no bite. Sad.

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Smirnoff trolls Trump

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LOL, awesome. Sheesh, you know it’s bad when things like this happen.

"It’s a policy act, exercising his lawful power under the Constitution. I appreciate that Bob Mueller is going to evaluate the facts. But I don’t believe any responsible prosecutor would bring an obstruction case.”

So, the argument presented here is that if the FBI or special counsel is investigating the president for committing a felony, the president’s directive to halt the investigation is a “policy decision” that does not break the law on obstruction. That is a very convenient policy decision, and one heck of a policy. Just how much of a felony does the president need to be suspected of committing before the obstruction becomes a crime?

Why we can’t let this drop, why we so need Mueller’s investigation to go forth:

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Somehow I missed that this meeting was on Valentine’s Day. Puts the “date with my wife” remark in a different light. And what a huge BUMMER, having dinner with donnie on Valentine’s Day. It’s enough to forever taint Feb. 14th.

I think at the end of the day, the only remedy here is political i.e., impeachment. But since Mr. Trump is a Republican and has made certain to telegraph to the Republicans in Congress that he will sign whatever they send him and appoint their Judges and Justices, there will be no impeachment until there is a democratic house.

I think Trump will get away with this, frankly. And I believe even when we know the full scope of his collusion with Russia and Putin in particular, he will still get away with it. He may not be reelected, but even if he is impeached by the House, he will not be convicted by the Senate because by the current numbers there would have to be 17 Republicans who put their country before their party and I’m afraid there isn’t even one.

I’m not trying to pick on you, I promise… But the date with his wife was the dinner meeting in January.

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:relaxed:

I stand corrected. And I’m glad his Valentine’s Day is not forever tainted.

And now we have a potential COVFEFE Act. :smile:

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That’s a good one, and likely to set off more material for the archives.

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