Discussion: Colorado County To Arm Security Guards With Semiautomatic Rifles

Why am I virtually certain that there has never been a scientific study of the efficacy of using semiautomatic long guns in a close quarters combat setting.

It is an impressive optic, and no doubt helps the user to feel empowered, but it strikes me as an awkward tool to use in such a setting which rarely would be likely to involve engagement with a target at other than close quarters.

Handguns, which would not need to be left locked up in a car 500 or so feet away from where they are needed, but rather carried on the person, strike me as a much better option, but the best option is to develop an effective response which does not involve firearms at all.

I believe this is more about bolstering the feelings of inadequacy of security personnel than it is about keeping anybody safer.

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Sounds reasonable, sensible, measured, and proportional. What could possibly go wrong?

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I think this is about school officials who don’t know what to do in the environment legislatures have put them into. Seriously, it’s a fucking disaster. I kind of feel for Colorado. They’ve had more than their share.

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The questions to be asked:

What’s the pay of a school security guard?
What kind of people take this type of jobs?
Since pay isn’t particularly great and guards have a propensity for violence, do this guys get screened for signs of stress because of financial duress, personal problems or substance consumption?
What if the security guard cracks up and goes in a rampage killing all kids with his newly issued rifle?

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Also hopefully, the hypothetical shooter won’t have broken into the security officers car to add the unattended rifle to his arsenal. Because shooting a bunch of school kids is one thing, but breaking into a man’s car to steal an extra weapon? That’s a step too far.

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Nothing could possibly go wrong because the security officers will complete the same 20-hour training that police officers go through, and no police officer has ever killed an innocent or unarmed person.

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Oh, I don’t know. I wouldn’t be surprised if the military hadn’t done some testing/experimenting on the matter. I also wouldn’t be surprised that the school board didn’t give the question a moments thought.

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Since it’s locked safely in the car, out of the way, and pretty much useless in an emergency, he’d have to go on a rampage in the parking lot.

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Why, you speak as if these guards go around assaulting students!

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I thought of that, and should have alluded to that possibility in my comment, but my (completely inexpert) opinion is that the situations, in which the military commonly find themselves, involve potential engagement at a wide variety of ranges, so they have decided to accept the limitations of long arms for close quarters combat so as to retain the enhanced capability those weapons bring to intermediate and long range situations.

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Same neighborhood as Columbine and Aurora, sites of 2 “famous” massacres, the center of gravity, Ground Zero for massacres of students and innocent civilians. Stay tuned. Do not enter this war zone if you value life.

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In a massacre, nothing goes according to anyone’s plan, except for the assassin’s.

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Insane! The NRA and their lackeys around the country have got to go. Enough is enough already.

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Security officers will begin using the rifles after they complete the same 20-hour training that police officers go through,

A whole 20 hours? Half a week? Yes, they’re just deadly weapons, not like a car or something…

He said that the security officers at the schools had been undergoing training with local law enforcement and that the police officers had been training with rifles.

Reporters, please read what you write before posting it. I can’t make sense of this statement. Were the police officers training the security officers with rifles, or did they just happen to be training with rifles at the same time? If the former, why not just say that the police were training the security officers to use rifles? If the latter, who cares?

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Semiautomatic? Douglas County apparently doesn’t care much for the children who live there. If they did, they’d insist on fully automatic weapons.

Protection with semiautomatics is semi-protection. Our precious children deserve the real thing.

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I suspect that to bring them into the school, the gun-nut head of security would have to get school board permission. Locking them in the car avoided this, but still allowed him to play the tough sheriff in that one movie he saw.

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Now, according to the news last night, the long guns were needed to “shoot down hallways”. But if they are going to be kept in cars… and if the school is locked down (no one in or out)… whaaa???

Colorado confuses me. I’ve been living here 2 1/2 years (formerly San Diego native). I thought it would be pretty progressive in the Fort Collins area but NO. Surrounded by gun nuts & crazy people out on the plains!

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What folks not from the greater midwest (the actual midwest is Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan; the greater Midwest includes OH and CO) do not understand is that the “blue” in these states is the cities. Most of these states are red in the farming areas. The cities and college towns are blue, nothing else. The 'burbs are where the action is; as Dupage, Lake, and Kane Cts go, so goes IL.

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Since the only cure for the ills of too many guns is even more guns, I propose that we simply set up an armory inside the school entrance so the tykes can pick up their favorite assault weapon on their way into the building.

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Adding: and of course everyone who is supposed to keep a weapon locked up for security does so at all times. And is seriously disciplined if one of the frequent inspections determines that they haven’t. And I have a bridge to nowhere I want to sell you.

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