Discussion: Colleague: Bannon Said Curbing Black Vote Wouldn’t Be ‘Such A Bad Thing'

Buon giorno, cara mia.

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Un abbraccio

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Oh, but he’s not a “white nationalist,” he’s just an “economic nationalist.”

Who also happens to be a f*cking racist.

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Kind of the way that Dr. Mengele was just a physician. :wink:

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Why is it that so many of these “not a racist” types seem to say and do so many racist things?

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I had a friend tell me that an old friend of hers is a Trump supporter and her reason was this: “I’m tired of having to worry about hurting someone’s feelings with what I say.”

It’s like they all think they are entitled to a license to be extremely cruel and rude.

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I don’t think that is right.
Ryan has an ideological agenda that he hopes Trump rubber stamps (or at least does not blanket veto as Obama did). But Ryan’s new world order still depends in part on trust in institutions. Bannon wants to destroy the existing institutions and rebuild them in his image. Bannon hates Ryan. So Ryan ins driven by ideology, what is unclear is if he has a personal morality that overrides his policy agenda.

McConnell is pure opportunist and would do anything anyone wants so long as he gets to hold onto his base of power. Totally amoral.

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Guys, you need to find more credible sources. “His old writing partner said he said this” is too easily blown off!

Thank goodness Ms Jones went public with this information before the election. /s

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My fear is not that he’s leading them off a cliff – that would assume we’re in a rational universe. I worry that he’s giving Republicans a second wind.

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Is that “wind” in the British sense of the word?

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And when it blows who will be there to clean up the toxic mess that spewed all over our political world? Democrats have cleaned up after Republican caused financial mismanagement, but this weakens the very fabric of our country.

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I think it goes farther than just saying cruel and rude, some comments I’ve seen on matters criminal lead me to believe that justice is going the way of the dodo and vengeance is what they desire.

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O it is, lastroth - vengeance is behind all of it because this is born of an out of control sense of grievance and entitlement.

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i am shocked Shocked!..That this white supremacist who is trumps right hand man…would be making these kind of statements!

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Yeah, we’ve come a long way in 150 years.

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you are joking right?

ryan wants to take away the centerpiece of this countries health care…Medicare…and replace it with a system for PROFIT that will cause extreme hardship to people who will not be able to afford his new plan and who will suffer and literally DIE because they no longer get the same level of care…and THAT ISNT A CLUE about his morality??

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Why would we be surprised by this? Limiting the franchise is central to the white supremacist agenda, isn’t it? Or, to the “originalist” view: back to male only, property rights for voting, indirect election of senators. Whites are genetically superior, should have more power; blacks should never have been given the right to vote, let alone freed, and if they do vote, there should be barriers of “literacy,” income, and so forth. Less extreme rightists have been working on restricting voting rights and voting behavior for years, quite successfully in recent years.

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Well, there’s the world’s worst kept secret.

The conservative movement is led by people like Bannon, Limbaugh, and now Trump who fundamentally comprise an industry following a formula of nationalism, free enterprise, religiosity, individualism, and (insert any positive characteristic here) while it actively works against those same values and interests.

The proof?

Ask Pope Francis. Ask anyone advocating honestly for those values, and see what tweets they invite from the alt-right heads.

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Sorry, but Ryan supports a different type of health coverage for older Americans because he thinks it is better, not because he wants people to suffer. His ideology tells him it is better for everyone. Whether he is right or wrong is an empirical question and it is why we have policy research and policy debates.

If Ryan overlooks the fact that his colleague is injuring another person, but chooses to ignore that because he wants his vote on his Medicare bill then I would say he lacks a personal moral compass. This is the question we are asking. Will Ryan stand up to Trump if he thinks Trump is acting immorally, if that means sacrificing his ideological policy agenda.

So far everything I have seen says Ryan is a moral coward, but he still has a beating heart, so there is a chance. McConnell, on the other hand has no moral conscience as far as I can tell.

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