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Possibly a little OT, but as far as Trump is concerned, I haven’t heard many talking about the one person who is probably going to drive Trump out of his fucking mind: Barack Obama. I have a feeling he is going to ride Trump’s ass all the way to the November election, no matter who the Dem nominee is. He has a way of getting under Donald’s skin like no one else, and I honestly believe Herr Trump will start saying things that, while being cheered by his racist Teabagger base that has wanted the Republicans to basically call Obama a ni**er for nearly 8 fucking years, are not going to be looked on very kindly by the rest of the American electorate. And unlike when Palin was having her rallies in 2008 when Dearest Sarah was calling Obama a terrorist and people in the crowd were yelling for him to be lynched, our exceptional media cannot ignore it when Trump personally insults the President and probably the rest of the Obama family. And besides, Trump going up against Obama is like Chuck Norris competing against the acting chops of Meryl Streep and Daniel Day-Lewis combined.
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Good post, dommyluc.
I think Trump is quite possibly the most dangerous human on the Planet right now…And his MSM handlers are dragging him along with butterknife “journalism” which could make Adolf come across as Robert Young.
For example, Nate Silver (and others) say that Trump does not have a lock on getting to 1237 Delegates.
For example, Lawrence says that conventions with multiple votes are quite common
Very little of this from MSM outlets. They want Drama…they want $$$$$$,…they want commercial time…they want TRUMP I may be a minority on this site, but a Trump GOP nomination would be the most dangerous political act in United States history (Gautam Mukunda). Gautam Mukunda, Asst. Prof of the Harvard Business School asserts (in a 2 March 2016 HuffPo article) that Trump could pull off an upset, no matter how repulsive he is because elections can have unforeseen events which entice weak-minded people to vote for a “strongman”.
However, I am in the minority and most people want a Trump run as a GOP Nominee…for all the reasons expressed by many many people.
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It seems fairly clear that the GOP is going to try to deny Trump the nomination unless he gets to 1237. Even 1200 may be too little to stave off a contested convention. If that happens it will be total pandemonium on the convention floor. Look at the bullying behavior of Trump’s campaign manager. Look at the way he behaved over a question he didn’t want asked by a very friendly “news” outlet. Imagine how less “polished” Trump supporters and delegates will behave when they attempt to wrest the nomination from him. There most certainly will be blood.
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I am not a violent man…so I would prefer that Trump arrive with less than either Kasich or Cruz. I also know that this is not probable.
However, “blood” or not, denial of the GOP Nomination to Trump will, for me, rank up there with the return of my son from combat in the Middle East. This man is too dangerous to have only ONE event (the General Election, albeit vastly in the Democrats’ favour) stopping him from the Oval Office
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Hey, Lesslie Moonvies, the President and CEO of CBS came right out and said: “Trump has been great for ratings.”
They only see the $$$$, not the damage done because frankly, they don’t give a shit. As long as they get top dollar for their TP and Beer commercials, that is all they care about.
The Fourth Estate was destroyed years ago when it became “just another profit center” to the Mega-Media Monopolies and Trump is the logical end-game of that mindset.
He is most “Ratings Positive” candidate, so he gets the most fawning coverage.
The entire Trump Campaign is being treated like a free “Reality Show” by the MSM. Zero cost, maximum profit.
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A modern nation cannot survive without a viable Fourth Estate. Modern man/woman does not have the capability to acquire needed information on his/her own.
As depraved and EVIL as Trump is, without a compliant MSM, he would just be another outpatient.
By the way…another reason I am in a minority…After Chicago, the words “funny” and “Trump” do not connect with me. That is why I decided to post on this Colbert piece. Suppose the “binge” that the comic Colbert is talking about gets some people killed? FUCK these media people!!
Yes, it’s quite common for the nominee not to have the requisite number of delegates. What’s absolutely uncommon is for the party to openly plot against the presumptive nominee. Typically, once someone has the nomination pretty well locked up, and Trump has approximately the same number of delegates as Romney did at this point, the party looks at ways to wind down the primary and hand the leader the delegates needed to win outright. Imagine how Democrats would’ve reacted in '08 if Obama had been denied the nomination because he was short a few dozen delegates. We would’ve been mad as hell and rightfully so.
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A floor fight at the convention in Cleveland to decide the Republican nominee, complete with chair-throwing, broken bottles, and motorcycle chains, is a fun and satisfying thought experiment. But it ain’t gonna happen. Barring some dramatic and unforeseen development in the remaining primaries, Trump will go into the convention with a strong plurality of the delegates, and will be the nominee. Remember – Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line. That’s how it works, y’all.
We’re already seeing former GOP candidates and elected officials publicly backing Trump (Christie, Carson), and others committing to support for the eventual nominee (Lil’ Marco). The GOP establishment will be solid for Trump by the end of May, count on it.
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The GOP is sadly nowhere near death. Because of projected low Democratic turnout, it’s unlikely they will lose the Senate in 2016. They will continue to control the Supreme Court for the next 30 years. They may well win the White House. And they will most likely continue to control state houses in states that rely upon gerrymandering to maintain Congressional control. The GOP is not dying and will live on.
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“Because of projected low Democratic turnout…”
What projected low turnout? Because of the primary turnout, which has nothing to do with turnout in the general election? Where do you get your facts from, Larry Klayman? In 2008, when Palin became the VP nominee. Dems came out to vote because her absolute stupidity and insulting behavior drove them to the polls. With Trump, they’ll be crawling over each other to cast a ballot.
Making your assumption is the same as the people who said the PUMAs would prevent Obama from winning in 2008, and the people now who say that none of the Bernie supporters will vote for Hillary. Stay way from the brown acid!
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Yes, that’s the way it works until it doesn’t. All presidents were white men until Obama. Republicans would never vote for Trump until they did. That’s actually the way it works. Something is a norm until it’s not.
Also, Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line refers to the nomination process, and not how they eventually come to view their nominee. Republicans didn’t fall in line this time, they choose a nominee the establishment absolutely despises, that the establishment knows has little chance of winning. Democrats, however, tend to fall in love with a candidate and choose them regardless of what the establishment wants. Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line is exactly the opposite of what happened this year.
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If you think Democrat voters are going to rush to vote for Hillary, you are delusional. Now if Al Gore were running for president, or Obama were seeking a 3rd term (obviously not allowed), it’s a different story. However, Voter ID laws in Republican controlled states will further dampen Democrat votes, and this would be the case even if Obama or Gore were running. The GOP is far from dead, and it ain’t dying, as much as I would love to see it blown up.
Well, I’m a democratic voter and I will rush to vote for Hillary.
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Anyone using a crystal ball projecting low turnout numbers for Dems in November should see about replacing it; it’s seriously defective. Not only will a Republican ticket headed by Trump be a massive loser, it will torch a lot of downticket GOopers as well. The four GOP Senators currently underwater in polling will certainly be doomed and a number of others may be endangered as well. The GOP may not be dead as a party but they will certainly need to completely overhaul their entire structure if they are to be competitive on the national stage. The neofascist thing won’t cut it.
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Trump has already promised, whoops, I mean “warned of” rioting, if he has the plurality and isn’t handed the nomination. So yes, at this point the only way they avoid a bloodbath at the convention – figurative and probably literal – is if Trump gets to 1237.
The fact that the party establishment would rather have a bloodbath than a Trump nomination speaks volumes of the damage they believe he would do to their party as the party’s nominee.
And the noises some are making about running a “real conservative” as a third party / independent candidate against Trump in the General – pretty much guaranteed to be a spoiler candidacy that hands the Presidency to the Democrats in a landslide – speaks volumes of the damage they they believe Trump would do to the Republican Party if he were to actually win the Presidency (and, who knows, maybe some of them are actually concerned about the damage to the country as well).
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I’m sure its just a coincidence that you used the Republican shibboleth “Democrat voters” instead of “Democratic voters” which is how everyone else phrases it.
trolltag: #notfoolinganyone
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Good catch.
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And that will be televised, even. That’d be quite a show and deeply damaging to the GOP. And yet some GOPers seem to have decided a bloody convention as a result of denying him the nomination would be less damaging than to have Trump as their nominee… to the party brand and more specifically to the down tickets. That tells a lot. I’m not sure if either route will lead to their survival, though.
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