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āā¦there is something really hopeful about the fact that, well 36 percent of the likely voters want him so the people in the machine donāt get to say otherwise. Thatās the one saving grace, I think, of his candidacy.ā
It is hopeful 36% of the voters polled favor Trump's policies of xenophobia, racism, misogyny and fearmongering? To say nothing of his "make Mexico pay for a 2000 mile wall" and tax policy nonsense? And welcoming Putin's admiration? Thumbing your nose at traditional politics and policy by expressing support for Trump is "hopeful"? Geez.............
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Is it 36 % of likely voters or 36% of likely Republican voters?
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More like 8-13% of the actual voting age population and almost 100% of those are bigots, racists, misogynists and xenophones. But other than that, democracy at its finest and fuck the Man.
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Itās unfortunate that Trump exemplifies all of the bad things about populism and hardly any of the good.
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Iām not sure you can call Trumpās angle āpopulismā. He isnāt pushing an agenda against the status quo. Most of his talk is doctrinaire Republican and what Tea Party stuff heās pushed is old hat. Kicking ISISās ass, carpet bombing, āmaking America great againā, deporting folks and Muslim bashing are GOP red meat. You canāt sell āoff the rackā politics and be a populist.
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A recent poll did everyone and it was about 30 %. It takes 51 to win and heās very light. The internals of the Trump polls are where its at. He has astronomical āno waysā or people that would never vote for him. Heās got close to 75 % no way with Democrats, 65 or so with Independents and close to 50 % with GOPāers. He cannot win.
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Itās a primary with the general election near a year away. People have the room to be for Trump now. For many Iām sure itās fun. There is nothing to think about when it comes to Trump. He doesnāt ask you to think. So its all so easy. But it wonāt stay that way. I doubt when we approach crunch time anyoneās going to be motivated in Trumps direction, thatās if heās still in the race. Weāve all had flings we knew were not going to last. They were fun but we sure as hell didnāt marry the person. A lot of folks are having a political fling with Trump. If heās still a serious contender by May Iād be very surprised.
There have been 14 Presidential elections since 1960, starting with and including Kennedyās win that year. In only 6 of those 14 has the winner equaled or exceeded 51% of the popular vote.
We all know that. But today there is no Ross Perot or Ralph Nader in the picture. Unless things take a considerable turn this will be a 2 major candidate race with 3rd parties plying almost no role at all. Even if a Nader shows up Trump isnāt going to win with 35 %.
Edit: No ones talking about the popular vote on Nov. 2. Its all EC then. Thatās what gets you to the White House.
Hence your citation of the importance of hitting 51% of the popular vote as a relevant statistic?
Listen clown Iām not getting into a fucking flame war with an idiot on TPM. If you need to be āthe manā go for it. It takes 51 % of the fucking EC to win too. My point, absent all your equivocation was that Trump canāt win. Thatās what I fucking said and many others have said the same. He doesnāt have the popular numbers or the EC numbers to win. Thatās the subject . Not your need to be top dog.
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Donald Trump is fond of stating many people agree with what he says and the very fact so many agree makes what he says correct. Birds of a featherā¦
Now was exactly NOT the time to abandon the character. Colbert the Person crumbled in polite deference to Trump, but the Colbert the Character would have been able to mock him to his face.
Trump is not really that good of a comedian. He just says whatever comes into his mind without thinking much about strategy.
Trump knows what the yokels want, but heās not going to waste his time as a rich man preparing a real speech when he knows all he has to do is throw out some fresh red meat for the GOP base to chew on. Thatās the difference between a bigoted demagogue and a traditional politician.
There really isnāt much of a difference between the two in the Republican Party any longer. All their candidates have been acting like demagogues for decades nowā¦whether they meant it or not. They convinced themselves that this was the way to win so now itās the only way they can runā¦even though the electorate is changing and doesnāt buy into it so easily any longer.
Colbert may have touched on a truth but heās misunderstanding the situation?
And when did āmisunderstandingā become a real word? But then it does sum up the way conservatives think and see the world so I guess it fits the bill.
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Perhaps Colbert The Person felt he needed to be more than a Characterā¦ if he was going to get real thinking human beings in this country off their cell phones incessantly consulting their own social media audience and begin instead to do the hard ground work necessary to save this nation?
Itās a long term commitment but it does reap real fruit and the sweet smell of success. Conservatives no longer know how and even want to try anything but short term gratification and shareholder return. So we have this Road to the Future all to ourselves without any competition. All we have to do is Do It.
Colbert was never going to get us to do it if he didnāt do it himself.
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ā¦an attempt to raise viewership among the sTrumpets? The few too many times Iāve watched , I was not āamusedā with SC.
36% of REPUBLICAN voters. Not Democrats. Not the rest of us. Only Republicans.
Wow, steviedee, I had to look that up to verify, and you are right. A few more wins at 50-point-something percent, but only six at 51% or more. And two of those six are Obama!
No, several recent polls have him actually beating Clinton or Sanders. Granted, national polls at this point donāt mean much (other ones show him getting completely clobbered, 51-39), but the point is that 1) despite what they claim in polls most Republicans would still vote for him in the general if heās the nominee (just like with Romney), and 2) he has a genuine shot at being nominated. He can get that with 35% support in most of the early states as long as the rest is split among four or five others.
People have been saying he was a fad candidate who would quickly fade since July, and thereās still no sign of it. Every ridiculously stupid and offensive thing he says only increases his support. Heās coalescing the idiot vote and that is a substantial voting bloc.