You can’t see me, so this is the best I can do.
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Pardoning someone doesn’t absolve them from testifying before a GJ. In fact, it would preclude them taking the 5th.
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@darrtown Has it occurred to anyone that trumPP might want out and would resign if he felt the Russian heat bearing down on him? Maybe not because of his NPD, but he could make some face-saving excuses, blame Congressional leaders because they didn’t come to his rescue, blame Hillary Clinton and illegals voting for her, blame Democrats, blame his base, whatever, but get out ahead of indictments. Then My Dumb Pants will be left to pick up the pieces further rupturing the party.
@radicalcentrist I envision this scenario vis a vis resigning.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the acceptance of a pardon an admission of guilt and everything that would follow from that admission?
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Technically it is not. But people can infer what they like. I think Trump would resign if it would stop the investigation of what he holds most precious, his business. The problem is that the investigation would proceed even if he resigned. This is different from Nixon, whose crimes were connected to his office. These crimes long predate Trump’s political foray.
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Trump never ever admits being wrong or admits defeat. Forgiveness is not in his lexicon. And he evpects absolute personal loyalty to himself but he is never loyal to anyone except a few in his family.
So resigning would be the last thing i would expect to see. He owes much to certain Russians… that is clear.
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Technically it is an admission of guilt. You cannot accept a pardon for being innocent.
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Ground zero for the opiod epidemic. Ground zero for lower middle class white folk with NO future. One of the scariest places I have ever been in my life. These people are dead end desperate – no education, no money, no future – and 2/3 of the adult population is struggling with opiod addiction. Of course he’s there, the disingenuous opportunistic pig.
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"Where this is going is no different from any investigation.”
Excepting the fact that a POtuS became the focus of an investigation that began a year ago and that Mueller was appointed to lead ten weeks ago, I’d say "Where this is going is no different from any investigation.’
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If he resigns, he has to stop campaigning, right? No one would believe that he’s still campaigning for 2020 if he resigns his current term. And that cuts off the flow of funds that he’s using to keep his business afloat.
Also, if he resigns, he loses all possible value to PutinCo and the info dump they’ll do on him will make Podesta’s emails and DWS’s emails about Bernie seem like “Pat the Bunny”.
@radicalcentrist - and his business crimes are the subject of Erik Schneiderman’s investigations, too, some of which can’t be pardon by Pence (I hope)
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'that is a different issue than quitting. He quits all the time - he just doesn’t admit that his quitting is a defeat.
He settles lawsuits
He files for bankruptcy
He gets divorced over and over
Every one of those things is quitting. He is a quitter - he just lies about it.
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Just imagine the mass of befouled activities even a cursory look under Trump’s businesses is revealing to the Special Prosecutor. They must be amazed at the fetid shenanigans they are uncovering.
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Such probing runs afoul of Trump’s supposed “red line” to the New York Times: that Mueller and his investigators ought not look into his business ties beyond what is directly relevant to the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.
And the approximate number of shits given by Mueller about any notional “red lines” is:
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I’m sure that’s true. I just meant that if trump believes he can pardon himself, then WIN! He doesn’t give a shit about anybody else. Well, maybe some of his kids.
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Yes but…he can be impeached even w/o a grand jury. One does not necessarily precede the other.
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Indictments would still stand even if he resigned. And as a mere citizen, he’d lose a lot of protections he now enjoys as President. Giving it up could put him in even more jeopardy than he is now.
Impeachment sounds better and better all the time! Talk about destroying the Trump name for all time!
I-LOVE-IT!
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Who was president from 1969 - 1973?
They’re distancing themselves loud and clear. He’s a goner.
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Such probing runs afoul of Trump’s supposed “red line” to the New York Times: that Mueller and his investigators ought not look into his business ties beyond what is directly relevant to the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.
Nice try, but how are they supposed to know if a given “Russian business tie” is unrelated, except by investigating them?
And if, in the course of doing so, they find something blatantly illegal but not “directly relevant” to the Russian meddling, what are the investigators supposed to do? Look the other way?
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Ha ha…he …
Looks like Dems can sit pat … His own party even …
Un…f#$%^ing …precedented
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