You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
— the Party of Lincoln
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The Russian social media disinformation campaign began long before election day.
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The Bush people never let Al Gore go, either. How could they? Could MacBeth let go of Banquo’s Ghost?
Fortunately, Hillary Clinton is bigger than them and this constant returning to his greatest hits makes Trump look small and desperate indeed. Pathetic Old Whore.
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I continue to have questions about the DNC server error that gave Bernie access to Hillary’s campaign data. Was it a DNC goof or a specific Russian hack.
I have alot more questions. Bernie’s campaign included Tad Devine who had worked w/ Manafort, seems suspicious. And Bernie willfully kept alive attacks on the DNC & Debbie W-S that helped to weaken party efforts.
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Wow. That’s a lot of ‘coincidence.’
I knew there was a reason I viscerally distrust Bernie and always have.
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that would be the trump charity paid for fake news.
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Debbie W-S that helped to weaken party efforts.
Ugh. Kaine and DWS were absolute disasters as DNC chairs.
Interesting. So when and how does Pence get ensnared in the spider’s web?
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Eric Holder held a press conference for Ferguson to announce that at least a dozen people who lied to federal investigators and perjured themselves, were not being prosecuted. He explained it was wrong that the lied, but he also offered up reasons why he did not prosecute. So it’s not unprecedented, in fact it happened recently. Press conferences by LEO are not unprecedented.
Because the NY office was about to leak it. He had to make the announcement, blame Weiner for that one, he was the one sexting an underage girl. And Comey rushed the investigation, and cleared her days before the election, and it was a national story.
No, SHE did that by creating the story, and the Republicans are the ones who told Comey to investigate. And it was HILLARY who took MONTHS to hand over emails. Why not just turn them all over at once?
Where do you get this stuff from, you sound like a Trump defender with the “fake news”.
Link? And Trump is the issue, and he is too stupid to use email anyway. And if you are talking about the new Pence revelation, that was not a private server. It’s the SERVER that was the problem because she controlled the server. Pence used AOL, so AOL controlled the server. Totally different scenario. The investigation was not about private email, it was about the private server. Had Hillary used gmail, she could just say “get the records from gmail”. Instead she controlled them, and she took months to release them. That just looked real bad.
ANYONE would have fared better. Biden would have destroyed Trump. Hillary needs to look in the mirror to see who to blame. She lied her ass off constantly about the server. Same thing the Trump folks are doing. They lie, then facts prove them wrong, etc. Endless cycle. She should have been totally up front from day one. Give the worst case scenario, then you have nowhere to go but uphill. As I said, Comey could have indicted her if he really wanted to. And in retrospect, I wish he had, because Biden probably would have jumped in and kicked Trumps ass.
False. Hillary and Jeb Bush were the only major politicians who used their own private servers. Only those two. Name another. And when Hillary did it, it had been established as against regulations (not the law, but regulations). So don’t make stuff up.
She lost to a complete asshole and a buffoon. A guy with several mental illnesses. She has no personality, she lied a lot, and she was STUPID enough to get into a name calling contest with a man whose only skill is name calling. The “deplorables” thing was stupid beyond belief. She should have said Trump supporters are hard working people who are being misled by talk show hosts and conspiracy theorists. Engage them, don’t call them names. Politics 101. Yes, she was competent to be president, but she was a horrible candidate. Politics 101, and she flunked. Yeah, I know you think it sounded cool to call them deplorables, but it was real fucking stupid to do. Joe Biden would have blown Trump out by about 150 electoral votes. Yes, you lose to Trump, and you are in fact a horrible candidate.
No worries. Been there, done that myself.
So let’s get this straight. In your view, did Hillary lose to a buffoon because she was a terrible candidate? Or is the loss proof that she was a terrible candidate?
She said one (out of context) awkward word, so she is the terrible candidate vs. the buffoon who would say anything.
You claim (evidence?) that she lied all the time. Thus, she deserved to lose to a documented liar.
Your logic is circular, dude. And your misogynistic double-standard is blindingly apparent.
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Both are obviously true, one is just a statement that applies to the election, the other to the result of the election. It’s basically the same meaning.
Yes, that was my whole point. She got into a name calling contest with a person whose only skill is name calling. She did the same thing to Obama in 2008 by speaking about him like he was some naive kid, and it cost her. And Jeb and Marco tried name calling with Trump too, and it cost them. The only thing Trump does good is name calling, so you just don’t go there. Politics 101.
Oh please, if my had my choice for a President right now it would be Kathleen Sebelius, and someday hopefully Warren or perhaps Gillibrand. Last time I checked they were females, and would prefer ANY of them to Biden or Bernie. So, does that now make me a man hater?
The attitude that saying Hillary was a bad candidate is misogynistic is your way of saying you have no argument. It’s childish and immature. And it gives away the fact that the only reason you supported Hillary is because she is a woman. I prefer picking a good candidate based on who they are, not their gender or race. That’s just silly.
That’s just childish. I supported Hillary because I like & admire her. What a fabulous president she would have been.
I was just showing you how your statement was just as childish.
She would have been a great President, but you have to get elected first. Kathleen Sebelius would be a great President too, but she is not a good candidate. Hillary does not have an engaging personality, etc. You need someone people connect with. Bill Clinton came out of nowhere to beat George HW Bush, who actually was a a good President for a Republican. But he just did not connect, whereas Bill is just an amazingly engaging person. I know Republicans who said they could not stand him, but when they met him they actually said they liked him. Obama is also engaging. Hillary is not. Even when she tries to tell a joke, it looks forced and rehearsed. Since the TV age, it has become vital for a candidate to be engaging. She’s not, it’s no more complex than that.
Consider your own statement…
This is why the likeability narrative is so persistent: It is the basis from which all other discrediting flows. If you can be so wrong about liking a person who is objectively unlikeable, then your judgment is suspect on everything else.
https://medium.com/@Shakestweetz/on-liking-the-unlikeable-hillary-clinton-2d3a466230e
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Then why did Hillary’s numbers go up every time she was seen directly by the people – such as in debates or at her convention – as opposed to how she was portrayed by the press?
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Those were national polls. She won the popular vote handily. Trump engaged the needed swing areas far better than her. She ignored the people she called deplorable. People in big cities like Detroit and Philly did not show up to vote because they did not find her appealing. They would have showed up for Biden or Bernie, and also for someone like Elizabeth Warren. She just does not have appeal to working middle class people in those states. No personality, she always seems to talk “at” people. Trump is solid BS and an idiot, but he related to them. There were lots of people who hated Trump and Hillary, but hated her more, so they voted for Trump. Many of them would have voted for Bernie, Biden or Warren, and it would not have taken many to turn the election. Plus many more would have shown up to vote for them. She just does not have the personality required. That was shown in 2008 as well, Obama came out of nowhere and blew her away with his charisma. He never could have done that to Bill Clinton.
So her personality was engaging enough to the nation but not to a subset of voters in swing states. Got it.
She did not ignore the white working class nor the coal miners. With respect to the coal miners whike she acknowledged there was no sane way to bring their jobs back, she laid a plan to make their lives better. She did this in college level English ( a mistake but authentic for her) and got quoted out of context to make it seem that,she was gunning for their jobs.
Those jobs are not coming back as long as natural gas is cheaper than coal but Trump was quite happy to lie about it. So far about 500 jobs have been added to the existing 70,000 miners, IIRC.
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