Discussion for article #239605
Damned if I can understand what’s going on. It’s beginning to sound a lot like Whitewater.
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Tough news for all you gummint hackers out there. Apparently erasing emails from your server now means the server was wiped clean!
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I agree. There’s more heat than light here. I’m assuming that the Rethugs are relying solely on the manufactured outrage. No issues just outrage.
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Whatever happens, it was definitely a smart, you know like wise, and uh, totally legit plan to conduct the nation’s diplomacy through a private email system.
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Better hope not. Whitewater resulted in 15 people being indicted for 40 crimes. The Clinton’s actually admitted they had claimed improper tax deductions in 1984 and 1985. They made good on the Payments even though they were not obligated to due to time elapsed, but documentation indicated the Clinton’s were well aware the payments that had been made were by the Whitewater corporation, not themselves.
The thing with Whitewater was the scope and time. It was small potatoes, and it had been 7-8 years earlier. So it never got traction. But people chose jail time to avoid ratting out the Clinton’s.
So my hope is there were no Laws broken here at all, including any of Hillary’s people sending her Top Secrete docs, etc. Remember Hillary has been adamant that she never “sent” any such emails. But if she was getting them and not addressing them not being sent to her on that server, that could be problematic. But if no actual Laws were broken by her, and there is zero evidence at this time, she will survive.
Of course had she done like our President and just used a dotgov server, there is no issue. It was in fact very sloppy of her to do what she did, and it does give a feeling of impropriety, even if there was none.
Yes, others did what she did, but they are not front runners for President. Jeb Bush is an example, but I would not say anything about it now. But if he gets the nomination, THEN you make it a big deal, and if Hillary is the Dem, it neutralizes the issue and the press will have no story.
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If people aren’t convinced that this is a witch hunt, they can never be convinced. Everyone wipes their hard drives clean before they discard of their computers. The media is bent on pushing this issue. I wouldn;t want people rifling through my personal emails either
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Bush is a candidate for president and he did worse but nothing is being made of it
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Calling Josh Marshall…this one has your name on it. It’s a mess.
Has anyone produced a warrant to look at Ms. Clinton’s personal emails?
It seems the legitimate interest is in the security, not the contents, of that server?
The issue is being exploited ( as one might expect ) for political gain by the GOP’ers and Clinton has a right to oppose that?
There is a concern that the contents of an official investigation will be “leaked” for political purposes based on past behavior so the Clinton team did what was necessary to stop that?
This needs to be mapped out…and that is JM’s art.
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Republicans went on a fishing expedition seeking the mythical Benghazi Shark. So far they’ve reeled in a couple of used boots and and old tire.
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For all you folks who were still kiddies back in the 90’s, here’s another fine Associated Press Lesson in how the Clinton Rules work in practice:
Hillary Rodham Clinton’s personal lawyer has told a Senate committee that emails and all other data stored on her computer server were erased before the device was turned over to federal authorities.
If you got the impression the servers were “wiped” after the Feds asked for them or in anticipation that the Feds were about to ask to see them, congratulations, you have been taken in by Clinton Rules journalism. If you immediately realized that if there were so much as a particle of evidence that this was true, it would have been the lede and under a screaming headline that was burning up the Internet, then you are likely a veteran of the searing critical reading lessons taught by the coverage of the Clintons, the 2000 election and the run up to the Iraq War when it slowly dawned on us that the MSM was a corrupt, coopted degenerate shadow of what we’d come to think of it as in the 70’s and 80’s.
But a Republican senator said Wednesday that U.S. inspector generals for the State Department and the intelligence community were told by some of the agency’s freedom of information specialists that department lawyers released some Clinton materials to the public over their objections.
If you read that sentence and said “boy, that sounds bad!,” congratulations! You are a prime target of Clinton Rules journalism. If you read that sentence over and over again and said “jesus fucking christ, I cannot even extract actual meaning from this word salad trainwreck, even when I assume there must be a typo or omitted word or two somewhere,” then yeah, you’re one of those who painfully learned what’s really going on here.
Republican senators on both committees are pressing to see whether any emails sent or received by Clinton on the private server while she was secretary of state contained any secret information that should have been only exchanged on secured, encrypted government communications portals. An inspector general for the State Department said recently that several emails sent to Clinton did include such classified material — signaling that the transmission of those emails may have risked violating government guidelines for the handling of classified material.
If the omission of the fact that the classification in question was retroactive, by agencies other than State, reviewing documents in response to a FOIA request, was glaring to you, you understand Clinton Rules journalism. If you didn’t notice it, you’re their bitch.
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Of course, the problem is that as soon as it comes to “she had a mail server that sent and received email” the average voter’s eyes will be to glaze over. Even “wiped clean” won’t register. It has nothing to do with the future, and the six-year witch hunt remains the only GOP policy for 2016.
You can tell the scandal is fake. No indictments.
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That’s some high quality breathless Whitewater concern trolling there.
“Smoke! There was tons and tons of smoke! Didja see all that smoke? They musta done somthin’ bad, they must musta, I tellz ya! People went to jail, you know!”
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So you are hoping there are 15 convictions for 40 crimes in this email thing? I certainly am not. That was what my post was replying to, someone who felt this was just like Whitewater, because that would not be a good thing. Criminal convictions is not “smoke”. And the Clinton’s themselves admitted wrongdoing.
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Watch Mourning Joke, Mika (whose father can be counted on stomping on their bs about the Iran deal), the horrid Halperin, the fuming Ron Fournier and the embarrassing Chris Matthews : these guys are re-hashing the tripe they dished out with such glee in the last Clinton presidency. (Mika not included). The Republicans are down on their knees praying for a miracle…Meanwhile I have to work, meet my bills and …
He’s not the front runner, and as my post said I’d rather attack Bush if he gets the nomination. I don’t want it to be old news, like Hillary’s email issue should be then.
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“the agency’s freedom of information specialists”
Translation: CIA personnel committed to overclassification and tasked with stonewalling, noncompliance, and minimal compliance with Freedom of Information Act requests.
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Oh for fuck’s sake. Go to the Wikipedia page where you got those numbers, and follow the links regarding each of those indictments out to its end. And what you’ll find is that not a single goddamn one of those “criminal convictions” had a goddamn thing to do with the Clintons. Indeed, the majority of them weren’t even related to Whitewater.
Rather, the vast majority of them were for completely unrelated or tangentially related offenses (over-billing by Hubble, falsifying an application for an unrelated loan, tax jiggerypokery). And all of them were the result of Ken Starr and his fellow partisan zealots digging and digging and digging, looking for anything they could find to indict people on because they just knew, knew with all the fever swamp intensity that now characterizes Republican politics, that these people had theeee goods on the Clintons and would crack and finally unleash all the awful, evil secrets if they could just be put under enough pressure. Each and every one represented the truism that virtually no adult can withstand the scrutiny of a prosecutor with unlimited resources who’s determined to find a reason to indict you.
It was a monumental abuse of the judicial process for rawly partisan ends. It was a disgrace to the legal system, an intrusion of politics into the workings of justice, whose repercussions are still with us.
So, yeah. Concern trolling. Which is your normal M.O. here, so why should I be surprised?
But I see you got an up vote from “Puppies!” So clearly you’re on the right track.
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Except she was required to back them up to government archives, something she never did until well after she left office, and only when asked. Not too bright.
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