Discussion: Clinton On Trump’s Mexico Trip: You Still Plan On Deporting Millions?

Gotta love the Guardian…

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I think you may be right. I’m wondering if Trump may use this to justify his flip-flop on deporting all those millions of people. I could see him coming back and saying that we can’t deport people until the wall is built because Mexico is so weak that they can’t manage all of them. Since the wall itself will never be built, he’s off the hook. The new plan? 1. Build the wall. 2. After the wall is built, deport everyone who believes that authentic Mexican food can be obtained somewhere else than Trump Tower. 3. Re-write immigration policy to eliminate immigration by anyone who can’t be featured in a fashion layout.
Peña-Nieto needs to wait until after Trump’s speech to say anything specific. If he waits, Trump will boast and preen and falsely portray their conversation. After he does that, Peña- Nieto can say “no, that’s not what we discussed.” Perhaps he’ll even have it on tape.

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Wow, that strikes me as an alternate universe concept. This is Trump you’re referring to right? He’s despised be nearly everyone south of the border, and he’s gonna come out smelling like a rose? More like a rose that has fallen into a cess pool. This one event regardless of it’s outcome can’t possibly turn around this badly damaged campaign. What’s next? He’s going to apologize to Hillary, and women everywhere for being a giant douchebag misogynist? Ha!

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Just off the top of your head you can easily list actual tough, smart people—Obama, Putin, and Cruz for starters—who’ve humiliated or manipulated Trump. He’s not especially smart on a good day, and a person so little able to accept reality or read other people never has a good day when it comes to interpersonal stuff. Self-promotion is the only thing he’s ever put an effort into or been good at, and he’s applying for a job where self-promotion is only a start. The primary opponents went easy on him until the end. Different ball game now.

Maybe not the way you think (assuming what you’re expressing are your own thoughts). :smile:

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Pena-Nieto could just ban HO from ever entering the country again, since he is a threat to their national security and stuff.

I don’t think he’s being snarky, I think he may be a true believer.

Probably just alternate opinion, which is okay.

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ok. His question is fair. I just see a huge risk for Trump. He is going to a place where he is hated, and will have a meeting or give an appearance where he won’t have any control.
He needs to appear like a successful diplomat to bring in new voters.
Doesn’t seem likely.

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I took it as either true belief or—how to put it without saying a certain word?—untrue belief. There’s this easygoing, old-world air of pipe-smoking faux reasonableness to it I’m not entirely buying.

Of course. There’s no reason for Pena Nieto to make Trump look good, and every reason for him to make him look bad. His only risk is assuming that Clinton will win, and that’s a low risk. Trump’s risk is absurdly high, except in his own addled mind where he has near-superpowers. His history is a long string of incredibly stupid high-rolling bets that he lost. It’s Josh’s Trump’s razor—it’s always safest to assume he’s doing the dumbest thing he can do in a given situation.

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Yes, I hope that Peña-Nieto does indeed tape any discussion he has with Trump because I have been certain, from the moment this visit was announced, that Donnie will outright lie about what was discussed.

In my dream scenario, Peña-Nieto make Donnie wait at least 20 minutes before the meeting starts. That ought to get his “rage juices” flowing nicely.

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Of course Trump would not turn down an opportunity for a photo op and free publicity, but I’m curious why Nieto invited him. This could be interesting with Nieto in control of the situation.

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David ; If I may cite just one incident. Do you remember his appearance in Scotland after the Brexit Vote?
To call it tone deaf would be charitable. Scotland loves the Brexit. Er not exactly . Look what a wonderful thing the trashed economy will be for me. The narcissist Trump will rule the day and Mr. Trump will manage to be totally removed from reality once again.

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He needs to appear like a successful diplomat to bring in new voters.

I disagree—I believe Trump is hoping that he’ll be greeted with violent demonstrations, which will validate his portrayal of Mexico as a clear and present danger to the United States. If Nieto is antagonistic, so much the better.

If Trump manages somehow to cow and bully Nieto the way he did Jeb, then it will also validate his self-portrayal as a tough, take-no-nonsense leader.

This. If Nieto is really rude to him, or if there are any unruly public demonstrations against him, Trump’s surrogates will be all over the “proof” that we have to keep those “criminals” out of our country. Sort of like Ashley Todd on an international stage.

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This is the kind of thinking and experience that comes from having a qualified campaign team.

Clinton camp thinks Trump fell for old trick

The Democrat’s team telegraphs a red-state push and then cheers Trump’s detour outside the battleground zone.

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I’m hoping Clinton’s campaign will have the wherewithal to book Kaine on both Univision and Telemundo to give reaction interviews en espanol. That would be fabulous.

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This is going to be the beginning to the end of Donald’s campain. Years from now they will talk about ‘Taking a trip to Mexico’

I think it will be “Coals to Newcastle” and “Taking taco bowls to Mexico”:slight_smile:

There’s an end to Donald’s campaign? Dog ho, make it so!

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You gotta love Rob Reiner - here’s his tweet:

Clearly we’re not sending our best to Mexico. We’re sending liars. We’re sending narcissists. We’re sending sociopaths.

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I’ll bet ten bucks that Donnie Drumpf shows up wearing a sombrero, and carrying Taco Bell carryout.

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