So millennials (and others) what does Clinton need to do that she’s not already doing to win your vote?
Anyone else tired of Millennial whiners and their self absorbed, sanctimonious, entitled, AYSO even losers get trophies attitudes?
That is my question? I am beginning to wonder if her campaign (not her personally; maybe her PACs) need to start spreading rumors about his health, including mental health. The Newsweek guy said that he had evidence that DT was hospitalized with a nervous breakdown in 1991, and is gathering more proof.
I’m tired of people who can’t see that this election is about the country and not them personally. A third party vote = a vote for Trump. It really is that simple. If you want to keep Trump out of the White House, vote for the only candidate that can make that happen.
Too bad the author of the horrible advice and fake speech that “Clinton should give” (which is mighty arrogant of him) on the front page, http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/bernard-avishai-clinton-speech-cafe, didn’t listen to one of her actual speeches like this one. That milquetoast fake speech in the other article is wrong on so many accounts I’m surprised TPM bothered to publish it. Fantasies by someone who isn’t even in the campaign shouldn’t be front-page material, actual speeches and policies by the candidate themselves should. Maybe if more media published that there wouldn’t be as much of a gap between what Clinton is actually saying and what people think she is saying. /rant
And it’s not just millennials. Many people believed and still believe Hillary was a bought and paid-for shill for the Wall Street vultures etc. etc. you know the routine. And we know who made a lot of people think that. And we know that same person has not really made enough of an effort to repair the damage. But I certainly don’t want to name any names for fear of reopening old wounds. All I can say is that politics is not about one’s god-damn self-expression as a posturing hipster and it’s not about quixotic gestures or the fatuous belief that “nothing will ever change” unless you vote for the fringiest fringe candidate. Or that, God forbid, the fucking revolution will come sooner if Trump is elected. Politics is about trying to bring about the best possible outcome given the possible scenarios. Period.
Indeed! Millennials ruin everything. America used to be great. You don’t see any bad boomers or gen x’ers threatening the country, that’s for sure.
“Even if you are totally opposed to Donald Trump, you may still have some questions about me – I get that and I want to do my best to answer those questions,” Clinton said.
I guess if Hillary doesn't answer millennials' questions sufficiently their only recourse is to help elect an authoritarian narcissistic pathological liar with an avowed curiosity as to why the U.S. is so hesitant to use nuclear weapons. Makes sense.Anyone else tired of Millennial whiners and their self absorbed, sanctimonious, entitled, AYSO even losers get trophies attitudes?
Replace Millennial with “corporate media” and I’d agree. To be fair, ever since the Sanders campaign stopped astroturfing every social media outlet I haven’t heard much pushback against Clinton, though admittedly, not as much support as I think she deserves. Some of that is legitimately age related but the problem at this point in the campaign isn’t Clinton, or Millenials, it’s the media, their inability to diagnose and explain complex and barely-complex issues and the close horse-race narrative they push.
I just watched this speech on her FB feed, it was incredible!
She spoke in a calm cool collected voice, with a strong positive message, a long list of accomplishments and inspirations, and very little in the way of negative attacks on Trump.
The media are going to NOT cover this in droves!
Millennials probably don’t yet realize that most voters have reservations about most candidates. And if they think about it, this is true for most big decisions: where you decided to go to college, to take a particular job, to decide to marry a particular person. You have reservations because it is an important decision, and you almost never get unfettered choices in life. If you were deciding between Job A (better pay, more established company but probably less promotion potential) versus Job B (not as much pay, not as secure but more interesting and more potential), you can defend either choice, but it’s hard for me to see how you could defend a choice of Job C (worse pay, no upside) or no job at all — better to be homeless or living in your parents’ basement.
Being inspired is great but it’s not the usual situation.
This election will forever be remembered as the obituary for political satire.
The millennial voters remind me of The Simpsons episode where Grandpa Simpson inherited a large sum of money. He put on a fez, and made each person who wanted his inheritance to grovel before him, and make the best case for why that person should receive the money.
Yes, it’s part of a candidate’s job to try to win your vote. But it’s also the voter’s job to use his vote responsibly, and not pout because his chosen candidate didn’t get the nomination.
OTOH, if you’re happy with Donald Trump picking Supreme Court Justices, and having his finger on the nuclear button, knock yourself out.
Hillary: I have a college affordability plan and have had one since I launched my campaign.
Millennials: WE DON’T BELIEVE YOU!
Hillary: It’s on my website and has been there for over a year. Go check it out!
Millennials: NO, AND YOU CAN’T MAKE US! AND WE STILL DON’T BELIEVE YOU!
It’s worse than that. They’re choosing to be drafted and sent off to war because if Trump is CiC he will almost certainly start a few wars and we’ll necessarily have to reinstate the draft.
“It’s worse than that. They’re choosing to be drafted and sent off to war because if Trump is CiC he will almost certainly start a few wars and we’ll necessarily have to reinstate the draft.”
And what, Clinton’s the Peace Candidate?
“Millennials probably don’t yet realize that most voters have reservations about most candidates.”
No, they do realize most voters have reservations. I have inside information on that, having two Millennial sons. One with a college degree, a shit job and $35K of college debt while the other with a Masters, a decent job (after two years of shit jobs), and $75K of college debt. And they’re mature young adults looking to do what they have to do to live/experience the America Dream. Might I say they’re way ahead of ‘dad’ at the same age.
Believe me, they do indeed realize Trump is an idiot, Johnson is flake (who needs the CDC?) and Stein only shows up every four years. One loved Bernie while the other leaned toward Clinton.
They get it big time. Let’s just say, like their Millennial friends, they’re awfully mature for their ages, having to learn to live with less, a lot less. They even laugh about it. But the benefit comes about unfortunately because they also realize they can’t (seriously) trust either party, they’re being exploited, inequality is systemic, decent paying jobs are awfully hard to find and they’re own their own.
They know they’re stuck and Clinton may be the way out. They distrust her - but they can live with that.
(and @imkmu3) Oh, yes. It’s frustrating beyond description to hear people say they’re casting “a vote of conscience,” the “ethical” vote, by voting for the “pure” candidate even as they only increase the chance that the most dangerous candidate will win. Set aside the bring-on-the-revolution, heighten-the-contradictions idiots who happily ignore the fact that it’s never, ever worked out that way; those who see themselves casting an “ethical” vote quite literally don’t understand the meaning of ethics.
An ethical act isn’t the thing you do that that lets you rest your contented head upon your pillow; it’s the thing you do that does the most good, or the least harm, to others. Voting is an essentially social act: for most citizens of a democracy, their vote will have a greater effect on more people than anything else they do in their lives. The health, safety, and literal survival of millions of people is at stake in any election, never more than in this one – billions, really, given the imperative to address climate change. That’s the real, concrete impact your vote has. So fight for instant-runoff elections so you can make your statement in the future without doing damage; but as long as the Constitution effectively mandates a first-past-the-post, winner-take-all system, voting third-party is an abdication of your responsibility to your fellow human beings, who may suffer far more than you from the result you’re facilitating. It’s a genuinely selfish, deeply unethical act.
Along these general lines, Michelle Goldberg just wrote a terrific piece on the Nader legacy, in which she makes the brilliant observation that the original consumer warrior, who fought so hard for corporations to be socially responsible, has been as responsible as anyone for turning voting into an exercise in consumer satisfaction:
Please, please, no replays.