Well DUH!
He is NOT a Democrat. He may caucus with them in the Senate but he is an INDEPENDENT (who else would he caucus with? The FreeDumb Coalition?)
He has admitted that he is only running as a Democrat to USE the Democratic Machinery as he admitted he would fail miserably as an Independent.
Facts is Facts whether you want to hear them or not. (As Neil DeGrasse Tyson says: “Just because you “Don’t Believe It” doesn’t make is any less true.”)
I think what she’s missing here is that not being a Democrat is now a possible asset, considering how far right Dems have shifted. Sanders represents the IDEAS of the Dems at their most progressive; the party has lost a lot of folks as it shifted right. More troubling to me is that total votes for the GOP in the Wisconsin primary outnumber total votes for the Dems. Does this bode ill for Dems taking Wisconsin in November?
Well then, we can read instead of hear…
Grrr!!! She’s making it harder and harder for me to say I’d vote for her in the ridiculously, laughably, unlikely event (the very mention of which is an attempt to suppress the Bernie Revolution Wave!) she won the nomination with comments like this. How dare she go on TV and say things that are literally true in order to try to persuade people to vote for her! Is there no end to her perfidy? Corporatist! Neoliberal!
I’m not so sure fealty to party is as important to Democrats as it is to GOP’ers. I don’t care what Sanders calls himself or what others call him. His positions are clear and I find them hard to disagree with. I like Sec. Clinton too but I don’t get this bit from her? Who put her up to this?
Accomplishment precedes Aspiration with the woman. She has experience and aptitude.
I have no problem with her pointing this out. It’s not slander, it’s just fact. Right now, there’s probably a decent amount of the American electorate that doesn’t know he’s not a real Dem. After all, many voters out there don’t pay much attention to politics until the presidential election. It’s time to take off the gloves and slap him as hard as possible.
Yeah…but saying things that are “literally true” to give an impression that is not so true is fact based lying. Sanders is not a Democrat but he’s not an anti-Democrat which might be construed from Sec. Clinton’s remarks. If anything he’s more Liberal than most Democrats, Sec. Clinton included.
And we are there to witness as straw meets man.
He says he is a democratic socialist. He’s an independent from Vermont who has caucused with the Democrats in the Senate. His ideas have not caught on in the Senate. He has been saying the same thing for 25 years and really nobody has joined him on Capitol Hill. Hillary is helping Democrats all along the ticket and that is really important. Go HRC!
She’s making the point that she’s been working hard for Democrats in down-ballot races, in this race and in her entire career, both with fundraising and campaigning, and Bernie hasn’t done jackshit for any of them.
Which also raises the point that Bernie doesn’t seem to have any real explanations about how he’s going to get his revolution through the Republican Congress he seems content to see reelected rather than soil his hands, and sully the purity of his supporters’ beautiful minds, working for and fundraising for Democrats.
Unless he’s planning on launching a coup and abolishing Congress when he’s elected (and I’m not saying there wouldn’t be some support for that. But that would be wrong.), it’s a really hazy, hand-wavy buzzwordy ellipses in his plans.
The problem is that Bernie proposes (without evidence) that he will drive turnout and get down ticket democrats elected. Meanwhile, he rails against Sec. Clinton for fundraising to do exactly that. You don’t get money out of politics just by saying we need to get it out of politics. We have to actually control the House and Senate to get anything passed (and even then it will be toothless based on the past 40 years of SCOTUS precedent).
If they were serious, they would be calling for a constitutional amendment allowing congress to pass campaign finance reform outside the ambit of the first amendment, which will never happen in this climate as the Senate Majority leader (Mitch McConnell) is the one who is most opposed to campaign finance reform (he sued over the bipartisan McCain-Feingold act in 2002).
Isn’t the next slate of primaries closed primaries? For Democrats only ?
Not helpful. You’re almost guaranteed to win, lady…stop freaking out over his small surge.
I tend to agree that it’s not, which is partly why I’m feeling somewhat baffled by her choice to go there. In contrast, the “progressive” identity politics Bernie played certainly was a trigger for members of the Unicorn Tribe, who are fiercely proud of their “progressive” identity and how right it means they are about everything, resulting in them leaning towards purity test type analyses for some time now.
Katherine Krueger: Don’t go to law school. Your appreciation of strategic argument is lacking. She doubles down my ass.
Clinton states the rather obvious point that Sanders does not consider himself to be a Democrat. Sanders and his supporters can say in response: Damn straight he’s not a Democrat (she’s right). Or, I am so a Democrat (she’s wrong)! In other words, come clean and stop putting twits like Susan Sarandon out there there to insinuate that he does not support Democrats. Or letting him off the hook with statements about “We’ll see” whether I will support other Democrats.
What they should not be able to do is get mad just because Clinton or her supporters are saying the same thing Sanders has said HIS WHOLE FUCKING CAREER. I get that lots of people just hate it when women aren’t nice (even other women) but I will be damned if I am going to hold Clinton to a standard that Sanders or any other male politician doesn’t even think he should have to pretend to meet.
She’s just reminding people in upcoming states who might be inclined to vote for Sanders that Sanders won’t be helping the other people they are supporting. Why that’s a big deal I have no idea.
I’s a big deal. She will need other Democrats in the Congress and in the States to get things done. The GOP only knows how to obstruct.
he is not doing anything in terms of fund raising for any democrats down ticket. she is doing a lot. a big part of this election needs to be taking back the senate and as many house seats as possible.
What specifically do you mean by “how far right Democrats have shifted”? Who, President Obama? Who, who, who? They’re “far right” only in the minds of those who forget about the actual far right…How silly does this get?