Discussion for article #244897
Yeah, but Saint Bernard had no problem using the NRA to get himself elected. To what end? Heās a cranky old back bencher whoās been in Congress for decades and accomplished relatively little except using his bully pulpit to tilt at windmills.
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āNow heās taking his cues from them, using a Karl Rove attack to go after her,ā she said. āBoth Sanders and the Republicans know that Hillary is the candidate who can take them on and ensure the White House isnāt in Donald Trump or Ted Cruzās hands.ā
Huh? Sounds Rovian to me. Well, I suppose I should be grateful the Republicans are acting as self-destructive as the Democrats usually do this election cycle.
Why would Hillary have any issue with being tied to Wall Street? Senator from New York, long record as a moderate-conservative Democrat, raising money hand over fist from those self-same Wall Street financiers. If sheās that concerned about it, be distinct about what changes she would make to reverse some of the conservative deregulation Bill helped the Republicans with in the 1990s. Why run away so hard?
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Bernie is butt hurt Goldman never asked him to speak.
I donāt think anything on Sanderās to-do list would be actionable with a GOP House, and his interest/knowledge of foreign policy is still nothing. I love lots of his positions, but donāt think heād win more than 10 states. I just donāt. I suspect every young SJW will be telling us on Facebook how they are going to āhold my nose and vote for Hillaryā. The dumb ones who never show up for off-year elections wonāt show up at all. Democrats need to fall in love, I guess. Demanding purity from politicians is an odd thing on either side.
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Hillary has NO SUCH RECORD as a āmoderate-conservative Democratā! Why are you parroting this gibberish? She was deemed the 11th MOST Liberal member of the Senate from 2001-2009. More liberal than Joe Biden, or Barack Obama. So thereās that, but I know you are steadfast in your preconceived notions!
Last night I spoke with an old friend with whom Iāve clashed politically over the years. In 2000 I told her and her husband that they could not risk a vote for Nader ā but they did it anyway. In 2004, shortly before the general election, I told her I knew Kerry was going to lose ā her response was to accuse me of being a negative person. In 2007, I told her that I was volunteering for Obama ā and invited her to help. She responded that she didnāt think a black man could ever be elected president and so she supported Hillary. Last night, she said they were all in for Sanders. Sheās the perfect opposite barometer! Iāve been on the fence, but this morning, I KNOW I WILL CAUCUS FOR HILLARY.
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HRC is a realist, as opposed to an idealist (which is ironic, because the idealists among us can not see that she is un-electable). She knows that to get anything done, a moderate approach has the most chance of success. She is very moderate as evidenced by her stance on single payer.
That being said, her claim that the GOP is attacking her because they fear her more than Sanders is just hot air. They attack her because it has been a fore gone conclusion (for months) that Sanders wonāt be on the ticket.
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Exactly right. If they thought they were likely to be facing Bernie, they would be mostly attacking him and ignoring Hillary. And if Bernie does pull ahead, they will.
To the Republicans, the fact that their current attacks on Hillary are being used by Hillary to attack Bernie, contributing to intra-party division in the Democratic party, is just a bonus.
As to the question of whether the GOP fears Bernie less than HIllary, that could well be. But the real question is ā should they?
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No, they want Bernie, they want to run against a socialist who honeymooned in Russia, the attack adds write themselves ā¦
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Whenever I see stuff like this Iām always reminded of Custerās reaction to the mule skinner
DUH!
Let me repeat that: DUH!
You always want to run against the weakest candidate the opposition has.
Whereas the Republican Base is doing a fine job of picking their biggest idiot for us to run against, we still can snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory if we pick Beanie for our standard bearer (cause he is SO PURE you know.)
The Good is the Enemy of the Perfect! Only the ideologically PURE get our vote! That will show them!
Beanie = George McGovern II the sequel.
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Agreed. I am glad Bernie ran, to keep Hillary left, and not allow her to stray toward the right-wing ācenterā. But letās face it, none of the major candidates for president, from either party, can get anything through the next Congress. Maybe, if sheās lucky and works hard, Hillary can get a good off-year election in 2018, and get near a Democratic House.
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Clinton/Sanders, so play niceā¦
Funny, I donāt remember spending the night together and getting to know each other this intimately.
So, instead of attacking you personally since I havenāt seen the photos of our alcohol-fueled bender together, Iāll offer that Hillary has been a strong supporter of AIPAC, who is consistently āconservativeā on issues of foreign policy, especially Israel. As well, she aligns herself with The Family (or The Fellowship, whatever), a pretty socially conservative Christian group. She also became a supporter of DOMA after it was a non-issue. So, perhaps you donāt get out much, but sheās always the most liberal on the campaign trail, but her day-top-day is as a pro-business moderate to conservative Democrat with strong Christian leanings.
Iām not a big Bernie fan, but am also not delusional about Hillary.
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No, they want Bernie, they want to run against a socialist who honeymooned in Russia, the attack adds write themselves ā¦
Itās an easy argument to make, and may well be true (at least as far as what Republicans think). But remember, theyāve been planning to run against Hillary, and have been running against her for years. They have very specific plans for how they think they can take down Hillary, and they have a base that they have trained to salivate at the very mention of her name.
They may well believe that shifting that hatred to Bernie will be easily accomplished (and they could be right) but they also know that his candidacy is more of a wild-card, and how potent the āsocialistā attacks will be beyond the Republican base is not entirely clear. So, some of them may actually prefer āthe devil they know.ā Just speculation, of course, as I cannot read minds, nor am I in the habit of believing anything that comes out of the mouths of GOP operatives.
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Awwā¦ sounds like youāre the one ābutt hurtā because everyone knows Hillary is a grifter. Donāt worry. Liberals created America. Sit back and beg for a trickle. We got this.
Check out her proposal on financial regulation. Youāll be surprised. She goes farther than Sanders.
Why would the GOP say theyād rather face Sanders if they actually do wanna face him? How would showing your support for Sanders get the Dems to vote for him? Whatever the GOP wants the dems generally want the opposite so they must know that by telling everyone theyād rather face Sanders, everyone would vote for Clinton, who they supposedly rather not face.