Discussion: Clinton Camp Declares Iowa Victory Before Official Winner Declared

[chammy]

@Sniffit

It should scare all of us silly, because those are voters who will potentially stay home if she does nothing to thoroughly convince them, both rationally and emotionally, that she is worthy of their enthusiastic support come November even if Bernie loses. If she fails in that, they will give her and the rest of us a big fat “fuck you, we’ll fix your fucking mess when you’re dead and out of the way.” “Lesser of two evils” and “we have to stop the Republicans” WILL NOT be enough for them.

So Bernie will have no influence over his own supporters? Is that what you think will happen? I would hope he would have more influence over them than that. I dont think the Clinton camp is surprised at how the age groups split. I think they knew this from the point where Bernie was gathering huge crowds. I doubt there were any surprises here on the Clinton side

[established_1781]

…who then must salve their wounded egos with demands of loyalty oaths, should the coronation of their billionaire funded candidate not come to fruition as ordained by the party gatekeepers.

This is inside baseball at its worst.

[chammy]

@geofu54

We simply cannot afford to let that happen. So please, let’s unite after all is done in the primaries.

That is for sure and if HRC does win then it will more than behoove Bernie to implore his supporters to put their idealogy aside and vote for her because this is more than a personality contest, this is serious godamned business.

[chammy]

Well it will be but with the love they have for Bernie I would hope he could convince them to vote and the reasons wny!!

[jcs]

Analysis in New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/upshot/how-the-virtual-tie-in-iowa-helps-hillary-clinton.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region&region=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region&_r=0

[brooklyndweller]

My honest opinion is most of the Berniacs will stay home. All those new, committed voters Sanders is turning out will just stay home, be disappointed and bitch and complain about “the gatekeepers.” They’ll insist that “the revolution” is coming and how dirty tricks prevented their leader from changing the country. Sorry, that’s really my take.

[cabchi]

Yes, and let’s not forget Nixon over Humphrey, because, you know, Humphrey had never been a champion of human rights and the Democratic agenda, and Nixon had a secret plan to bring peace to Vietnam.

[cabchi]

Thanks. Excellent analysis.

[professorpoopypants]

@chammy

, that she is worthy of their enthusiastic support

Seems like it would better not to be out there adamantly vowing that single layer “will never, ever come to pass.”. Bernie has said he’ll support her if she’s the nominee, and will do everything he can to turn out his supporters in November, even if he’s not the nominee – but she sure is making his job a lot harder in this respect.

[ronbyers]

Blind loyalty is the best kind. With supporters like you Hillary will win all the way to the moment she doesn’t.

[emilianoelmexicano]

@Sniffit

If a 50/50 split doesn’t wake her campaign the fuck up and make her realize she needs to be courting Bernie’s supporters even as she tries to beat him, then something something Coakley…Coakley Coakley Coakley…

Coakley, Coakley, Coakley…

SCOTUS, SCOTUS, SCOTUS…

Mexicans Eat in the Back of the Restaurant (per the 2020 SCOTUS Decisions)
Mexicans Eat in the Back of the Restaurant (per the 2020 SCOTUS Decisions)
Mexicans Eat in the Back of the Restaurant (per the 2020 SCOTUS Decisions)

Doofus,Doofus, Doofus

(Perfect-Is-The-Enemy-Of-The-Good Democrats, that is)

[emilianoelmexicano]

@ProfessorPoopypants

Seems like it would better not to be out there adamantly vowing that single layer “will never, ever come to pass.”. Bernie has said he’ll support her I she’s the nominee, and will do everything he can to turn out his supporters in November, even if he’s not the nominee – but she sure is making his job a lot harder in this respect.

If Hillary is Doofus on this, there will be bad things. In a way, it is sort of an irony.

If Hillary blows this, she’ll still be rich–it’s just the rest of us are screwed. On the other hand, unless Hillary is prepared to go into Outer Space, she will be on the same doomed planet as the rest of us with President Cruz/Rubio/Trump.

[ronbyers]

I just heard a reporter on NPR say that from the moment of her “victory” speech on last evening Hillary is signalling that she wants to run on Bernie’s issues. He ended with something like, “Imagine Hillary running as an anti-establishment candidate?” She is going to have to do more than simply yell Bernie’s stump speech to convince most people she can be trusted to work for them.

[emilianoelmexicano]

@ronbyers

She is going to have to do more than simply yell Bernie’s stump speech to convince most people she can be trusted to work for them.

Worst GOP field in a Generation.

That’s why Democrats are working diligently to snatch defeat from the Jaws of victory.

“I got an idea! Instead of fighting the Republicans, let’s fight EACH OTHER!!!”

[emilianoelmexicano]

@brooklyndweller

My honest opinion is most of the Berniacs will stay home. All those new, committed voters Sanders is turning out will just stay home, be disappointed and bitch and complain about “the gatekeepers.” They’ll insist that “the revolution” is coming and how dirty tricks prevented their leader from changing the country. Sorry, that’s really my take.

IF these new Bernie Voters never voted and never would have voted, Hillary might make it. If, however, these Bernie voters were people previously for Hillary BEFORE Bernie and are now pissed off…

We got a MORE serious problem.

[ronbyers]

You don’t get it do you? Bernie supporters, Trump supporters and even Cruz supporters all come from the same crowd, people convinced the government works for the handful of folks who bribe the residents of Washington DC and nobody else. Democracy only works when the vast majority of the population think the government is at least honest.

[jcs]

Blind loyalty? Maybe me. Here is what I know for sure.
My career including worked with medicaid data so I know the numbers of how she helped kids , including those in vitro, get health care.
Watched her handle husbands infidelity with grace and strength.
Watched her Beat down with facts and firmness every single false, lying accusation against her.
Watched her go from arch rival to significant, result producing cabinet member.
Watched her Handle the vitriol of the minsogynst Congress, bought by the insurance companies. She landed on her feet and fought for and got health care for children. No one gave her credit for it. Why? Because she is a woman? She would rather do the deed than take credit for it?
Congress lies and needless investigations on Bengazi,emails…nothing to either accusation, just politics for the uninformed…
The list goes on…
As a woman I relate to her, met her twice. Am I blindly loyal? I don’t think so. Stay tuned

[brooklyndweller]

Not being facetious here: What could Clinton do and/or say that to get the Berniacs on board? If there are Americans in this country who don’t believe that “we have to stop the Republicans” what is it that will get them to vote Dem? If they have no understanding of how government runs, how will they fix the f*cking mess?

[ronbyers]

I met her too, and agree she is an terrific person. I am just pointing out that she lost a 40 point lead to an elderly democratic socialist who pounded themes that appeal to disaffected mostly young voters. My 26 year old daughter was really happy that Bernie did so well last night. She thinks that finally there is somebody running who wants to make government work for her.

There aren’t enough gray hairs like us to win without those young voters. You assume that they are going to get in line to support her at your peril. They won’t unless she convinces them she cares about them. I know she cares about her buds on Wall Street and her friends in Washington, but she hasn’t made the case that she cares about the rest of us this year.

To the contrary she has been arguing that we should settle for her because settling is “pragmatic.” She needs much more poetry in her campaign and a lot less prose. She should fire the big name consultants who think selling pragmatism is a great idea. The young want their time. They want to think that America works for them. If she doesn’t convince them that she isn’t a tired worn out old woman looking out for her place in history, she will lose to Rubio.

[occamsrazor2]

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