Discussion: Cleveland Files Creditor's Claim Against Tamir Rice Estate For Unpaid EMS Fee

Had this poor child NOT been publicly executed and murdered…there would have been NO need for EMS for Tamir. It can’t get more callous than what the City of Cleveland have put the surviving family members through.

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No. There isn’t. Maybe the bill was automatically generated but even so, how insulting to his family. I still can’t get over how the cops who shot this kid got away with it. They drive up and shoot him without even exiting the car.

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I don’t know if the family has filed a wrongful death action or not but that may be it

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Yet.

The claim against the intended victim was a counterclaim asserted in an attempt to offset damages. No doubt his attorneys will counterclaim against her as well for negligently inflicting emotional distress upon him by darting out into the path of the bullets he fired downward in a multistory apartment block.

There is a legendary North Carolina case where a psychiatrist was sued by a patient for malpractice and negligent infliction of mental and emotional distress. The patient, who had recently separated from his wife at her request became concerned by the way she sounded and acted when he called her to ask whether he could keep the kid out a bit longer. Fearing she was being held in durance vile and was trying to signal him for help, he drove to what had until recently been his house in a panic. When he got there, he saw his shrink’s car, came in and saw his clothes scattered all over the place, broke down the locked bedroom door and caught his shrink screwing his wife, with whom, it turned out, the shrink had started an affair while treating the patient.

The shrink’s lawyers actually appealed from the trial court’s refusal to send the issue of contributory negligence (which was a complete bar to recovery in those days) to the jury. They argued that he knew she had to be in their banging his shrink because he saw the clothes and the car and barged on in anyway, knowing it was going to psychically wound him. The Court of Appeals was not kind to this argument. “We can hardly perceive of a situation where an issue of contributory negligence would be less appropriate,” they said dryly.

It’s another example of how lawyers can do incalculable damage to their client’s cause by being afraid of being criticized for not doing something they should have done, even though they had to know it was stupid. This cop seems to have the same kind of lawyers.

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mine does the same thing if I yell or get excited.

Sadly Google has failed me but I do recall a line from a film to the effect of. “In China when they execute you they charge the family the cost of the bullet.”

If you were a city employee, would you risk losing your job and your pension in order to “lose” the paperwork?

Folks, if you’ve never worked for a government department, or never worked in a highly-regulated private industry, you just have no idea about the constraints under which one has to operate.

To repeat, exercising your discretion could land you on the street, with nothing.

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$500? I’ve had public employees lose files worth fifty times as much, and it was only by haranguing them that I was able to get them taken care of. In this case, “ooops, must have fallen behind the file cabinet when I was taking it out” would work.

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The rise of computer accounting files has made that almost impossible. Easier to “lose” a form or smudge a journal entry in the old paper systems.

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Shows how old I am! :smile:

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And to think that it is illegal to sue the gun manufacturers but OK to sue dead victims. I hate this country Sociopathy is endemic.

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This kind of “bullet fee” has been a common way for oppressive regimes to humiliate the families of the people they execute. China, Iran, and the old Soviet Union forced their victims to pay the price of their own execution.

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No, just heartless.

Used to be so easy to get out of a speeding ticket in the pre-computer days. Give your lawyer $100 cash, he’d give a clerk a gift certificate for dinner at a nice restaurant, Poof! ticket got lost. Still cheaper than a fine and an rise in insurance rates.

(So I’ve heard from reputable sources. :wink: )

From what I rememered they didn’t even render any emergency medical serices. They all just hung around from what I remember

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Yes, they have filed a wrongful death suit.

The “Estate of Tamir Rice” is also a plaintiff.

Don’t get too angry with the state employees. Quite often what the lower ranks in the civil service will do is to use an event like this to expose a really shabby practice.

Charging anyone for EMS services provided by the state when their child dies is dreadful. I suspect someone is using this event to demonstrate what utter shits the likes of Kaisich are.

It is a stupid move for the state as it is only going to cost them more on the wrongful death suit. A lot more.

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I always assumed Tamir died at the scene…thus, the coroner should have transported the body to the morgue. Sounds like letting the an ambulance transport to morgue is a revenue generation policy.

I’m sending $5 in pennies to the mayor’s office. Join me?

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