“We are trying to convince people that this time we mean it when we say you’re not put at risk if you share information with us.”
America’s word is useless, that will be possibly the single worst thing The Donald does to us.
They don’t want to count minorities now.
230 years ago they wanted to count 3/5’s of them.
Make up your mind.
This"rural" vs “urban” argument goes back to the beginning of the Republic. We have a United States Senate that gives rural underpopulated states just as many representatives as large urban states. Think of Wyoming vs California in a Senate debate. I know the Republican party is driven by the racial fears of its white base, but I suspect there is also a rural vs urban component to this issue as well.
I think the way to punctuate that may be “rural” vs “urban.”
Thanks. Good point.
The new GOP motto: “By any means necessary.”
It’s quite amazing really, the number of ways that can be found to cheat … I mean, when you put your mind to it like they do.
No, “vs” is an abbreviation for the Latin “versus” so it takes a period: “vs.”
I wonder why the report Jarmin references cannot be obtained via a FOIA request? And why “some” impact on the accuracy of the census is apparently OK, according to him? How much of an undercount is acceptable? If officials in the census bureau know from their own internal reporting that the question will have some impact on the accuracy of the census and go ahead with it anyway, that establishes that their actions are intentional, which may have an impact on the success of the lawsuits.
My auto-correct suggested “deporting” for “reporting,” above. Hmm.
Quick question to Ms Sneed. Why did you bury the legal challenge so far down? The way the article is structured, I was wondering whether the lawsuit was dismissed.
Just answer YES that you are a member of the US Mafia and you will be safe with Trump and his crime syndicate that is gradually taking over our government. Yes America, it is time to wake up and realize we have a Mob Mafia boss in the White House. His organized crime syndicate has been in place for years…the FBI knew it but for some reason the media looked the other way. Trump is an organized crime leader - PERIOD!
So…what keeps somebody from either lying or simply not answering the question? Will they not count the entire form if that question isn’t answered?
Or just put on a bedsheet and a hood and join in a cross burning. Even better, wear a swastika on your sleeve! That’s now been mainstreamed into the RepubliKKKlan Party!
Bone spur Bozo is not an organized crime leader. He’s a Russian Mafia stooge.
Shouldn’t those court cases challenging the inclusion of citizenship on the census form be expedited? These challenges are time sensitive for fuck’s sake. Seventeen states are suing and I’m pretty sure if MI didn’t have a fucking Republican Governor and AG that have less than a year to serve, we’d be joining in on that lawsuit as well. Michigan has a lot to lose, especially in the amount of money the federal gov’t sends to our state. We also have very vibrant immigrant communities, including many that came from the Middle-East that will be discouraged if not legitimately paranoid from answering that question on the form.
I suppose, but I am not sure how this would help that cause. Given that it would lead to undercounting in urban areas in particular and just add another component of potential fear.
I’d say, that at least in this day and age, that the urban vs. rural wedge is just an extension of the racial divide. A lot of what drives Conservatives crazy about large urban areas is that they’re full of “those” people.
No, the form will be counted. There are penalties for failure to disclose or falsifying answers, specified in 13 US Code 221:
(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age ,refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.
(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.
(Emphasis added.)
One thing to note: providing a false answer is more heavily penalized (i.e., is considered more serious) than simply refusing to play. How frequently 13USC 221 enforced? The ACLU of Ohio is not aware of any prosecutions in Ohio. I doubt that it has been prosecuted elsewhere – the Bureau believes prosecution would be counter-productive, and I think they are right. It’s too easy for many people (not all – if you have a large digital footprint you can’t hide) to hide from the Bureau.
The penalties under Section 221 were last visited and amended in 1976. If you adjust the fines for inflation, $100 in 1976 would be about $430 in 2018 and $500 would be about $2150 in 2018.
My personal plan at this point is to refuse to answer any citizenship question on the Census. I’ll risk the $100 fine and dare them to prosecute me.
It’s probably an internal discussion paper at this point, rather than a formal report. My guess is that Wilbur will put the kibosh on any research along that line both pre- and post- census. You can’t find it if you refuse to look for it.
As to undercount, some undercount is inevitable. The questions about undercount do not include, “will it exist?”, because it will be there. The questions about undercount include things like:
- How large is the undercount?
- Can we adjust for the undercount?
- How non-uniform is the undercount?
- How can we minimize the undercount?
I don’t know anyone working at the Bureau now, but I am sure the statisticians there (and they have some of the best in the world) are seething about this one. I know I would be if I’d spent my career wrestling to address problems like 2 and 4 above (1 and 3 are really relatively easy) and then an asshat like Wilbur comes in and throws a shovelful of abrasives into the system I’d worked on for 20+ years.
Under counting in urban areas is in the direct interests of the rural Republican party. Democrats gave up a lot when they abandoned farm country.