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Hey Porky Pig, a lie is a lie is a lie.
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Christie didn’t “misspeak.”
He lied.
And then he repeated the lie.
Classic Republican behavior.
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Yeah you right. He “mis-spoke.” Twice. On purpose.
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Sorry, but he flat-out lied about it and he said more than once last night. So this wasn’t a single lie, but lying, then lying again later in the debate.
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Well I am going to suggest that it was not so much a lie as a very convenient collapsing of two symbolic moments into one.
Because the day that Christie actually had his appointment announced was Dec 7, 2001 which is to say Pearl Harbor Day which of course was the occassion of the FIRST sneak mass casualty air attack on this country. And Christie might indeed have thought that was symbolic and just later let the event drift in his own mind from a parallel to an actual.
More cynically he may have just gotten used to telling a more complicated version of this story that maintained the symbolic connection more explicitly and just allowed the story to “improve” over time as he “sharpened” it. This actually happens to people all the time, I myself often tell the story about how the Iraqi attack on the USS Stark and the subsequent shootdown of the Iranian Airbus by the USS Vincennes effected me as an active serving Navy sailor. Until someone managed to point out to me that I got out of the Navy in 1981 and these events happened a decade later. Ooops. But I wasn’t consciously lying, I just projected my feelings as an ex-sailor back on the younger me.
Not to say that Christie is not a despicable turd in general or that he would be above lying outright if it seemed to serve his interest. I just think it is possible that the symbolism of an appointment on Pearl Harbor Day just synchronized itself with the more recent event. Or maybe not.
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The campaign also denied that Christie’s statement during the debate amounted to a lie.
Is their argument that Christie is delusional? If not, it was a lie.
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When your best excuse is “I misspoke”, You are history.
The people who have and will suffer the most from last evening’s FUBAR event and the GOP Clown College gatherings to come are the fact checkers. Bless em’…They REALLY have a heavy burden to shoulder.
In general, Republicans believe truth can be created by the repetition of a lie…and they are masters of The Big Lie form of politics.
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And I’m 33, weigh a slim 185 lbs. on my well muscled 6’3" frame and make Donald Trump a pauper in comparison to my wealth … see, I could be a Republican Candidate, easily.
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Taken in context, this does look and sound like a lie by Chrispy Christie. It is clearly a deliberate and particularly egregious one intended to burnish his national security machismo.
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No problem Guv ,just like the question about the (9) downgrades that you seem to ignore as fact.
“The nine downgrades likely will be a continuing political problem for
Christie as he considers a run for the Republican presidential
nomination and potential supporters and donors in other states assess
his record as governor.New Jersey’s credit rating is still
considered investment grade but is at the sixth lowest level for all
three agencies, Fitch, Moody’s and Standard and Poor’s. Illinois is the
only state with a lower credit rating than New Jersey.”
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The only day Christie is actually absolutely sure of in the most important day of his life…the day he had his first piece of pizza:
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I’m going for delusional, for thinking he even belongs in the Oval Office. I live in NJ and he’s sure has heck not in the governor’s office here. Too busy burnishing his record while he hopes to snare maybe a VP slot, or a cabinet position.
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Yeah… He lied.
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It would probably be unhealthy to dislike CC any more than I do, but if he did receive a call on 9/10/01 from the POTUS (and I retch at the association of that most august acronym with the mere shrub) informing him he would be appointed U.S. Attorney–and yes, he could be lying about that call but if he DID receive it, is he really lying or simply stretching the truth a bit? Because it is not wholly unreasonable to conflate the informal delivery of that news with the far more formal ceremony that followed in December and would be considered in fact a formality compared with the decision that was communicated by phone. For someone like Christie, who no doubt remembers that conversation itself as the biggest thing by far that had ever happened to him (and yet one more reason for me to hate W), the call was probably far more momentous than the swearing-in bit.
Now, I’m not foreclosing on the very real possibility that this so-called phone call from the Preznit did not in fact occur on Sept 10 of that year, or on any day of any year, or the raw truth being Christie in all likelihood received the good tidings of his nomination through the normal channels of the Justice Dept–probably from some Deputy Assistant Attorney General. Because, at the end of the day, why the fuck would the President of the United States be calling some fat dickwad lawyer in Jersey , especially when he had a cram session scheduled with My Pet Goat for that very same evening, in advance of a most important classroom appearance the next day?
Yeah, ya know what, he’s a lying sack of shit all right. As you were.
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Sure, do you really think I’m gonna fall for that one, do you?
it happened in his state? Really ? Odd - I seem to recall that the World Trade Centers were in NY not NJ
oh wait - let me guess - he mis-spoke there too?
This is typical unfortunately of all the candidate - they never mis-speak - they lie!
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Yesterday, I told my next door neighbor that I was the Queen of Outer Space. But I misspoke.
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“I very stated something very specific that wasn’t true in a way that was clearly designed to make it sound much better in the context of my argument, but I wasn’t lying, just misspeaking.”
You know, Governor Soprano, if you had gone to Hometown Buffet instead, you wouldn’t be in this pickle…what’s that?..ummm, no, I didn’t just offer you a pickle…no, I’m not hiding them…what are you doing?..get your hands off me…I told you I don’t have any pickles…stop that…someone…anyone…help!!!
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