Discussion for article #222204
Great, inspired, and very promising gambit!!
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Well, this is going to get interesting.
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these UCC types take the message of Jesus of Nazareth way too much to heart. They need to read them some Leviticus.
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And here I thought all of these gay marriage bans were based upon straight conservatives’ love of religious freedom.
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ish, just got real.
Love the use of a religious institution to fight blatant hatred.
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Word on the street is that Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich and their five ex-wives are vehemently against this assault on traditional marriage.
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Ugg love to see smart rock well flung.
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hahahaha. That’s right! This is so rich… I’m sure Scalia will deny the appeal when it gets there…but man. What a way to shine the light on their vitrol and hatred and intolerance by using their own words against them.
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The “christian” Right is a tad upset that their religious freedom argument is being used against them 
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Conservatives are for religious freedom laws to discriminate against gay people. So they should be for a Church’s religious freedom to marry them. Correct?
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I don’t understand. The church is free to perform any kind of marriages they wish. Nothing in the law is stopping them now. They won’t be “legal” without a civil license which NC won’t issue, of course. But that can’t stop them from performing a religious ceremony.
Don’t get me wrong; I’d love to see our recently enacted Constitutional amendment banning same sex marriages get overturned. I just don’t think the logic here is right. Won’t the court simply tell them there’s nothing in the NC Constitution that prohibits them from performing any kind of religious ceremony they wish but it won’t be legal?
You’re correct, drv. But it’s great to see the homophobes’ own argument turned against them.
Can’t wait for Tony Scalia to write something that proves he forgot his stance in Hollingsworth v. Perry
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Maybe DonT they do not take it too far, but as far as Jesus himself took his message - Love others as you love yourself. Jesus may have come to fulfill a prophecy, but he also brought a new message from God that would supersede Leviticus. He even recognized that homosexuals are born in Matthew 19:12. It was Paul and the disciples who wanted the new church to adhere to old Hebrew law, and often strayed far from the teachings the Jesus, not the other way around. Maybe, just maybe, since God does not make imperfect souls, the gay community has a place in God’s plans for the world, and we should stop judging them based on writings that are over 3000 years old and instead give them the same rights straight Christians claim for themselves while passing judgement on others.
Rev. Devon J. Noll
New World Universal Fellowship Church
http://www.newworduniversalfellowship.org
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Great move! {{{{{{ Applause! }}}}}
The dominoes are falling…don’t let up for one second! Kudos to the LGBT community…and to fair and sane Americans everywhere who support equality and struggle with you in this good fight.
The argument used here is quite similar to the one that the Catholic Church used in the Perez case in the late 1940’s to get California’s constitutional interracial marriage ban overturned. It’s basic point was that the state, by denying an interracial couple a civil marriage license, violated religious freedom because it was telling the church who they could and couldn’t marry. It’s a interesting argument, probably valid as well, though I am quite sure the Catholic Church hierarchy disagrees on the UCC’s wanting to apply it to same-sex marriage.This issue is referenced in Judge Vaughn Walker’s decision overturning Prop 8 as well as the Varnum case in Iowa.
OK, that makes sense. A little convoluted but I see your logic. Let’s hope the court does, too.