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IMHO OâReilly has never met a fight he didnât like, as long as he dosenât have to do the fighting.
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The CrusadesâŚand after that, shall we have an Inquisition?
I say that, if the Christian and Catholic end timers want to fight a holy war against ISIL we arm them with basic weapons, drop them in the Iraqi desert and let them fight it out. And I propose that the first person we arm and drop into the desert be Bill OâReilly.
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OâReilly cares way more about ratings for his show than doing the right thing. What Chris Hayes is saying is too nuanced for the people who watch OâReillyâs show. Bill knows that, and could help those people understand the nuances, but he doesnât care. Much easier to yell out sayings that could go on bumper stickers.
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What gets me is the DANGER this is putting Americans in all over the world. If people in countries like Jordan, Egypt and Indonesia really think we Americans are fighting a holy war against their religion we might have bigger problems than we do today.
But Bill O will then get bigger ratings, wonât he? Heâll have more to rail against.
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As an agnostic, although I was baptized as an Episcopalian, I find it unusual that Catholics no longer appear to categorized by many, as you imply, as âChristiansâ. Especially so, since the RCâs have been at it for so much longer. How did this happen? When? How did âChristianâ come to be co-opted by right wing reactionary evangelicals? What will it take for the âmainlinersâ to get pissed off enough to take it back?
I knew an Episcopal priest with a good sense of humor who used to tell evangelical proselytizers who wanted to âsave himâ: âIâm not a Christian, Iâm an Episcopalian.â So even he was getting into the act.
By the way, I have no quarrel with religion. As an agnostic, I really donât fucking know. What I do know is that people filled with religious hubris, whatever faith they adhere to are personally exhausting. So I understand your wanting these folks to âtake it outside to the desert and fight it out.â Unfortunately, they wonât do that without involving the rest of us.
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Like I said: the GOP/Teatrolls/conservatives and ISIS are SYMBIOTIC at this point. They are both acting to their mutual benefit. ISISâs horrifying atrocities and propaganda are giving the GOP/Teatrolls/conservatives precisely what they want and believe they need in order to obtain control over this country and wage a holy war in the Middle East AND the GOP/Teatrolls/conservatives are returning the favor by giving ISIS the narrative it needs in order say âwe told you soâ in its recruitment brochures, grow its brutal campaign for a caliphate and continue committing the atrocities that fuel the RWNJ narrative.
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Itâs one thing to like a fight. Itâs another to prefer to fight 1.3 billion people, rather than to concentrate your efforts against a group of perhaps several tens of thousands.
Perhaps, as heâs reading up for his next literary opus, Billo should have a look at âThe Art of Warâ by Sun Tzu
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What is wrong with a dull witted hack stoking the ignorance of his aging base and getting a princely sum for the opportunity to do so? The formula works for the entire Faux organization and they understand this window will be closing as their aging base departs for the promised landâŚit canât happen soon enough for the rest of us enduring the daly horseshit they are so fond of doling out.
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guns from the ukraine, funding from the saudis and syria, all b/c the US didnt have a long play once we invaded iraq, we put Maliki in power and we lost control over the rebels.
Holy War my ASS. Calling such only seems to be another effort by the GOP infotainment complex to white wash the US failures of Iraq and change our enemy from the conceptual âterroristâ to the âgod hatersâ.
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Good for Hayes! The president is absolutely right on this, despite the what not only OâReilly but the wimps at the NYT are saying. I guess they want to elect a next president who will come out snarling at Islam, get thousands of Americans killed but because heâll be a real American cowboy heâll be considered âbetterâ than Obama.
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From what Iâve understood, the debate over whether or not Catholics qualify as Christians is something that stretches back centuries. In truth, none of them are really Christians as they follow the Old Testament more often than they do the New Testament and often ignore the words of Christ in favor of those parts of the Bible which were never endorsed by Christ or were flat out repudiated by Christ. They prefer the parts of the Bible which give them temporal power over others instead of the parts which talk about helping others.
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This is the same bullshit Stalin used to lay on the Young Communists with a trowel, sans religion.
Goebbels used to do the identical thing with the SA in Germany.
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The Islamic terrorist are the Matadors and Fox News is the bull, they see red, and thatâs all they see, and they want to run off into war. We all know what happens to the bull.
Having said that, if you want to identify a silver lining, the self selecting redneck rightwing christianist going off to die in the desert is not necessarily a bad thing if it only means that they wonât be around to vote for the 2016 election. These are the kind of people that gave us George Bush, and we would be far better off without them.
In essence, conservatives are deserving winners of the darwin awards. If they take their low iq out of our gene pool, then so much so the better, I suppose.
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What debate? Catholics are not only Christians, for 1500 years they were the only Christians in Europe west of Hungary and Russia.
Thatâs kind of like a child debating whether or not his parents are human beings.
BTW: Christ told his followers to separate religion from civics, and he did so in the form of a commandment⌠So if you believe in combining religion and civics you are, by default, not a christian. That means the Huckabees are not Christians or CINOs - Christians in name only.
If you want to combine religion and state, you are in the wrong religion - you are, in fact, a latent theological muslim because combining religion and state is the essence of Islam.
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Iâm not an expert on the subject, but according to my aunt, who is a Reverend, there have been quite a lot of people who do not believe that Catholics are ChristiansâŚsome donât even believe that Anglicans are Christians.
But, your point about the separation of religion and civics is correct. As I said, the vast majority of these supposed Christians arenât because they refuse to follow Christâs words.
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âcombining religion and civicsâ
Jesus said to render to Caesar what is Caesarâs and what is Godâs to God.
If while making tax policy, you are in part motivated by caring for the least among us because you think it is what Christ said, Iâm unsure if this breaks the rule. Separation religion from âcivicsâ means what? Was Martin Luther King Jr. concerned with religion or civics when using religious arguments in the name of equal rights?
Finally, this sounds like some originalist appeal. Comparing to what Jesus said when he likely thought the end of days was upon us as a Jew in the Roman Empire to the current age on this point is an inexact thing.
âthere have been quite a lot of people who do not believe that Catholics are ChristiansâŚsome donât even believe that Anglicans are Christiansâ.
Yes, that is what the Protestants used to say. I remember asking my dad when I was much younger what the difference was between Protestants (which we were) and Catholics. His answer: âProtestants are Christian, Catholics are Catholicâ, although also said with a twinkle in his eye.
Iâd have to say that itâs the evangelical fundies who only reference the Old Testament, and completely ignore Jesusâs teachings. Catholics used to pay much more attention to the âVirginâ Mary, and less to her son.
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Believing something doesnât make it true. Protestants telling Catholics that they arenât Christians is the same as Teatrolls telling liberals they arenât real/true 'Murkins.
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ok holy war it is send all the right wing christians people like pat robertson john hagee tony perkins etc etc let them fight their so called holy war and billo oreally and slanthead hannity can be their war zone corespondents âŚyeah i could go for that