Discussion: China Again Rejects Trump's Suggestion To Use US Policy On Taiwan As Bargaining Chip

As usual, AP only gives part of the story.

China should plan to take Taiwan by force after Trump call, state media says.
Global Times says Beijing should ā€˜punish militarily’ any moves to undermine One China policy – which US president-elect has said he might not uphold.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/15/china-plan-taiwan-force-trump-call-state-media

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Oh, he’s treating our China policy like a businessman. Sure, fine, OK…

…You DO know how many times he’s FAILED as a businessman, yes?

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it’s only a ā€˜bargaining chip’ if the other party thinks it’s of some value…

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They could not take this more seriously. He’s playing with fire here. It’s the most alarming thing he’s done so far.

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2016/12/18/snl-s-hillary-clinton-goes-full-love-actually-on-elector-trump-will-kill-us-all/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/49401754.cached.jpg

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When you take a position they will never accept to begin a negotiation with another real estate developer, contractor, city zoning board, and such, they typically don’t have an army, weapons, nukes, one of the world’s biggest economies, or the willingness to go to war to reclaim part of their country as their opening reply.

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Chinese political observers on Sunday said they expected Beijing’s response to change once Trump is inaugurated next week.

IMO, this is a bad idea to go by. Rump’s insane klown posse genuinely believes the sh*t they’re pushing out there. And again, it’s not so much Rump as it’s his true believers who have no problems telling China ā€œscrew 'em.ā€ What you see now, is what we’re getting in the future regarding the Pac Rim.

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I’m sure our Russian allies will contribute mightily to the war effort. Just as soon as we get that oil flowing.

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And people think the press will go after him after he tosses them out of the WH press room, etc. TV news, forget about it, corporate owned, they won’t fight shit. It will have to get really bad for them before reporters are even allowed by the corporate owners to remember what the 1st amendment says. In fact that doesn’t even matter:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]

Seeing that he believes he is above the law anyway and it clearly states that Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of the press, he’s all good to go with totalitarian propaganda news.

Sorry to be Debbie Downer, I haven’t given up all hope, but I’ll believe it when I see it if the press decides to grow some balls.

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Can anybody tell me what this sentence is trying to say? China is refusing to push for positive cooperation?

ā€œSo far, Beijing has reiterated its refusal to negotiate on Taiwan and to push for positive cooperation between the two sides,ā€

Trump meets Sun Tsu. He’s losing and he doesn’t even know it yet.

If Trump thinks he’s engaged.in some half-assed real estate negotiation he’ll be very rudely surprised.

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No, the negative only holds for the first clause. They want for us to stick with the Paris climate agreement and continue talks over trade liberalization and (if we behave) North Korea. Taiwan is absolutely off the table, as are all other parts of an ā€œinseparableā€ China (Xizang (Tibet), Xinjiang, Xianggang (Hong Kong)).

@valgalky23 Reporters can be NASTY if you try to move them from the seat they’ve earned working their way up. Think Helen Thomas, but a whole room full of them. They take all that minutiae as gospel and if you try to ignore or dismiss it they’ll come for you with a pickaxe.

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Sorry to be Debbie Downer, I haven’t given up all hope, but I’ll believe it when I see it if the press decides to grow some balls.

While I certainly understand where you’re coming from, the Press does have an established hierarchy and a set of norms that need to be followed. They control DC to a large extent. Ramping up hostilities with them only ensures that the hornets nest will attack at some point. And wont stop on command.

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Trumpee spent the campaign complaining that China was unfairly devaluing it’s currency, when in fact the Bank of China spent $500B in foreign currency reserves last year to prop it up. He complained that China would get an unfair advantage as a result of TPP, when they weren’t even part of it, and are happy to see it scuttled. He hasn’t the slightest clue as to how to deal with China. They will run circles around him.

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Yeah this is Nixon on steroids and by demonizing the press Nixon brought it on himself.

The press hasn’t changed that much since then. They know they are in the constitution and they take the idea of a free press very seriously. Sometimes when the reporting isn’t what we want that doesn’t mean they aren’t doing their job. It often means they are doing their way not ours.

Don’t turn your backs on the 4th estate just yet, folks. This is all just getting started

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No kidding. If the Press thinks it can get its ratings by smearing Trump they’ll do it in a heart beat.

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Yes and I think they know and the Democrats in Congress know that the public is with them not with Trump. He’s in the most vulnerable position I have ever seen an incoming president in. I’ve never seen anything like members of Congress publicly saying the new president isn’t legitimate.

It’s astounding historically and it’s awesome.

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Beijing has consistently hoped that the KMT will eventually merge with the CCP, which is the true essence of the idea of ā€˜one china.’ Although China views Taiwan as an inseparable part, it has never been a formal part of the PRC, unlike Xinjiang, Tibet, or Hong Kong. I know you are getting at China’s view on the matter and not the de facto relationship, but China strategically would want to use military force as a last option as it would level the economy of one of PRC’s top trading partner and one of the biggest economies in the world, which would render the whole event moot.

I don’t think ā€œsmearingā€ is the right word. It implies an unfair criticism. All the press needs to do in the case of Trump is dig up the truth and be reasonably fearless about printing it in plain language. Call a lie a lie, call a con job a con job, etc.

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I agree but it’s fine by me if they smear him around some too.