Hopefully France has the wisdom see what darkness lies before them by looking at Trump and May.
They probably won’t though.
“He represents France’s future, a future within Europe,” she said. “He will win href=“x.com”>#MarineLePen's because he is able to unite people from the right and the left against the threat of the National Front and he proposes real solutions for France’s economy.”
Dear #France,
— Ricky Davila (@TheRickyDavila) April 23, 2017
Don't make the same mistake America did. Don't let #MarineLePen's hatred, bigotry or fear mongering decide your vote.
🙏
they will
Your lips to the goddess’s ear.
This is the result we (LizzyMom and LizzyPop) were hoping for. Extremist left and moderate right went down, leaving moderate left and RWNJ standing.
Macron should ultimately get all the left, and a chunk of the moderate right who’ve been watching the Trump Circus across the pond and are scared to end with the same.
Our prognosis for the run-off is 60% for Macron and 40% for LePen.
Viva la France.
ETA: Frauke Petry stepped down a couple of days as the face of the RWNJ AfD here in Germany, and they look stalled at about 10%, which will get them a couple of seats in the Bundestag. They started losing ground shortly after Drumpfie’s inauguration.
n one of the moments that every centrist/America skeptic have been waiting for, is now here
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But, but, but . . . how can any True Leftist possibly vote for a centrist? Don’t they know their votes must be eaaaarrrned? They’re being forced to vote for the lesser of two evils! He’s probably even worse than LePen!
I spoke with a friend this morning who is French. She is not going to vote because she is “disgusted” with politics both in France and here. This is fucking irresponsible, but try telling a French person anything they don’t want to hear! Good luck. I asked her if she wanted to see a Le Pen victory: “Non!” but she is unenthusiastic about a Macron presidency because of “taxes”. Merde!
Trump endorsing La Penn should assure she loses!
I hope you are right, but I am not so optimistic.
Two questions.
How did this result square with projections?
The scandal that has been dogging Fillon—was that helpful for either Macron or Le Pen?
I don’t have your detailed knowledge, but it seems to me that Macron must be a prohibitive favorite now.
I like taxes, liberty and security. They are the troika of modern civilization.
I suspect Le Pen will be squashed in the runoff. I think the 21% she got tonight is most of the support she will get in two weeks. The vast majority of those voting for the other candidates tonight will not support her.
Don’t know what you guys got over there, but the results that we are getting tonight fit the projections. For the past week, most here have been anticipating that Macron would slide through with a plurality. Hubby was quite confident and is pleased.
ETA: like others have said, we believe Macron will be hands down. However, hubby thinks LePen will likely pick up some more votes, only because Macron is very pro-EU — and there may still be some for whom this might move them to LePen (who wants a Frexit).
But good news for Europe tonight, and a finger raised toward Drumpfie too.
Oh God. And I was only joking.
Meanwhile, stepping outside our own confirmation bias bubble for a minute, I bring you the ABC poll out today. Which tells us that Trump would get 96% of the votes of those who voted for him in a hypothetical Mulligan, but Hillary would lose even more votes to wouldn’t vote/I’d vote third party from the left. Also, too, 67% say the Democratic Party is out of touch with the concerns of ordinary people. Five percent more than those who say that about the Republican Party.
A large plurality say Trump’s handling North Korea about right. 54% are A-Ok with the constant Mar-a-Lago hopping.
And I leave you with this joy-bomb:
As mentioned, Trump's challenges don't mean the opposition is in good shape. In March 2014, 48 percent of Americans said the Democratic Party was out of touch with the concerns of most people. Today 67 percent say so. And the biggest change has occurred chiefly among the party's own typical loyalists, with "out of touch" ratings up 33 points among liberals, 30 points among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents and 26 points among moderates and nonwhites alike.
So, the Democratic Party is too centristy, too liberal, too pro-minority, yet insufficiently pro-minority. There is no possible ideological course correction that results in a net gain of votes. The people who insist the neoliberal DLC corporatists are the reason for the loss are wrong. The people who say the True Progressives are wrong are wrong. Everyone’s wrong.
The only thin sliver of a silver lining I can see there is that it open’s the door to Shepherd Book’s words of wisdom: “if you can’t do something smart, do something right.”
Well, here in Central Asia we are more concerned with oil prices, the new President of Uzbekistan, EXPO 2017 then France, generally speaking—although I hear the name Total quite frequently, for obvious reasons.
@ncsteve Bernie Sanders is playing his party to kneecap the Dems. His constant braying probably is worth of few points of the decline.
@lizzymom This is interesting:
Except it’s not just them. It’s a bit of everyone. It’s like the derp cloud from DC is a brain-eating infection that’s eating away at the neurons of everyone pretty much evenly.
Good live coverage:
https://twitter.com/i/live/846864146897354752
Macron to speak in minutes, LePen has already spoken.
Also live:
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-french-election/
and RT is going on the offense: