Discussion: Census Bureau Study Ups The Estimate For Non-Response Due To Citizenship Question

I’m looking at you, Texas.

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So, mission accomplished, right? Non-documented and even newly documented people are already paranoid as hell - so why even bother with the SC at this point?

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How will the SCOTUS ruling coming this week affect the current case in Maryland?
Does anyone know?

Well, color me shocked and surprised: an estimate by the evil and perverted (mal)administration of Hair Twitler has vastly underestimated the negative effects of a proposed policy?

Unimaginable…

:smirk:

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If you get a census form, either return it unopened or trash it.

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the Census Bureau has now found that at least 8 percent of households with at least one noncitizen will not respond to survey.

So the Census Bureau has confirmed that the citizenship question effectively meets its goal, which the Supreme Court will deem irrelevant because we now know how to adjust the data if we want to use the census for some purpose other than manipulating apportionment.

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It looks like the Census Bureau isn’t even considering the non-response rates of liberal citizens living in red states who are pissed off that the census is being corrupted for political ends.

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That’s exactly what the GOP was hoping you’d say.

If you want to disrupt the system and live in a blue district, make sure that every person and his dog is registered.

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So spread the word - if you have a noncitizen living in your household, just don’t count them!

Can confirm.

The “Big Idea” here is to significantly undercount population in typically blue states, which has the knock-on effect of reducing Democratic representation in the House of Representatives and (probably) state legislatures.

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Negative, undercounting the population is what these b*stards want. Answer every question except the citizenship and then return it.

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Or get a red felt-tip pen and write “I don’t participate in politically driven, non-scientific surveys” and mail it back. Postage is prepaid.

Yep. I also think 8% is a massive underestimate of the nonresponse. People can’t take chances.

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As we move to a Total Information State, scanning technologies (e.g. CLEAR) at access points will become common. Ultimately, we’ll have something like AI-enabled MRI knee-scans at places like store entrances or the subway that will ID a large swath of the population. For anybody who is not cleared in the system, that is, unrecognized or has a record of misbehavior, it will become almost impossible to move without triggering alarms. Thanks, Philip K. Dick!

Census Bureau Study Ups The Estimate For Non-Response Due To Citizenship Question

That’s the whole point, and the US Supreme Court likely approves.

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Absolutely true. In my area (CA) it is not only the Hispanic community being frightened into hiding. Folks trying to do prep outreach & education have gotten pushback from some of our Asian residents. Specifically mentioning the Japanese internment saying “look what happened before when we gave the government our information”.

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Can we assume that @tibetancowboy and @tiowally are trolls? Because only trolls would possibly come up with such nonsense.

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And the estimate only is based on households with one immigrant. What about others, like myself, that plan to skip the question. If it is 8 percent now, what will it be with the final tally. More money, more money and results poorer. Then add in the economic costs ocer the decade as business looks at the data very closely.

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I’d expand that slightly.

The “Big Idea” is to significantly undercount population in blue regions / precincts, which both reduces the number of representatives coming from those blue precincts, and reduces their claims on federal funding of all sorts. The GOP doesn’t care if Texas loses 2 districts by undercounting its migrant populations; those lost districts would be in “leans Dem” areas of the state and so would be two fewer votes against the GOP agenda in Congress.

Intentionally undercounting yourself on the Census is always a very very bad idea.

Undercounted populations get less representation at all levels of government from the state houses all the way up to Congress and the Electoral College. The only representation that doesn’t get adjusted based on population is the US Senate (and its commensurate representation in the Electoral College) – even your State Senate districts are (most likely?) drawn based on population maps from the US Census.

And, undercounted populations get less funding for various programs even up to disaster relief.

The entire US funding and representative infrastructure is based on representation based on the number of living persons in a precinct/district being consistent. The drive by Republicans to change those counts only to US Citizens (and in this case, to US Citizens with no non-citizens in the household) is a direct attack on areas of the country with larger non-citizen populations. The funding mechanisms would take decades if not the better part of a century to adjust to this radical redefinition of what “the Census” measures, which progress would be significantly slowed due to the sudden under-representation of those negatively-affected communities.

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