Discussing the 25th Amendment by counting Cabinet members to see if it was feasible was stupid and ignorant.
Under the 25th Amendment, it takes a 2/3 Majority vote in both Houses of Congress to remove a recalcitrant President who does not want to to leave. That was never going to happen.
Impeachment is easier, but even the Democratic majority in the House refuses to start it.
You know I canât get mad at a group of folks in the government trying to suss out a plan, explore all options, as opposed to react!, flail!, duck and deny!
Right, noting could possibly be more of an attack on the Constitution or âunconstitutionalâ than two people discussing their concerns about whether a provision literally in the Constitution designed to protect the Constitution and the country should actually be invoked in order to protect the Constitution and the country.
Also, nothing could be more satanic than reading passages from those Hymnal books you find on the pews in churchâŚand if youâre looking for the best way to âwing itâ while putting together some Ikea furniture, definitely read the directions.
This. I donât give a fâ who said what to whom. The point is that the entire DoJ was freaking out because their darkest suspicions about a Russian-owned president were actually playing out.
If you impeach him in the House and donât convict him in the Senate, youâve made a martyr of him in a politically polarized way that wonât change anybodyâs mind about him, and what he stands for, one way or the other. In terms of long-term damage to Trumpism, it would probably be a setback. Indeed, it would likely guarantee that his approval rating will hit its high watermark. It would be a boon to his re-election campaign. (Disclosure, I found this a persuasive writeup along similar lines: The Case Against Impeachment.)
Itâs far better to lay bare all of this administrationâs transgressions and get an overwhelming vote against all of it in 2020 from the electorate. Iâm not sure we are on the path for that, either, but itâs clear that a focus on nothing more than impeachmentâand thatâs what a point-solution-focused push for impeachment, as you have argued for ad nauseum here, will becomeâwonât result in that outcome unless he gets convicted and tossed from office. And itâs abundantly clear that sufficient will to do it does not exist in the Senate, given the evidence available today.
The purpose of the Senate Select Committee in 1973 was never explicitly about Impeachment as the solution looking for a high crime and misdemeanor. (The kind of effort you presently favor in the House.) Only when they had produced enough evidence and a public, and super-majority of the Senate, consensus that Nixon had to go, did Nixon give up the fight.
Iâm sure you will disagree. You neednât reply. Iâve read it all before from you.